Cigar Glue
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Mad Oshea
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I think it sounds like wall paper past I used, Got to look at the wraper on that to see. I used it an am still here? I think. Mad- Where did You get it?
Mad Oshea
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Back in the day, My old man would hand Me a pouch of dried out Bull Durum- And tell me to use thick spit. HU? till I seen the papers. No sticky. Hum? Only on Mine I told Him. Now I know a wet cigar when I see it. Moral: personal glue. Mad-
Gdaddy
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I was surprised to discover these little packets of Xanthan Gum at Walmart, in the aisle with flour and breading mixes. It set me back 48 cents. It's about 1 tablespoon of powder.
http://www.hodgsonmillstore.com/en/gluten-free/gluten-free-xanthan-gum-71518-02175-021_group
Bob
A quick update on this glue. It works very well (good holding power) and it's cheap and you can get it at Walmart. Wall paper paste is made using Xanthan gum and it smells like it. Low odor and it's pretty much tasteless as well.
The only negative is it will get moldy much faster than cellulose glue even when refrigerated. It's so inexpensive you can mix a new batch every week or two to make sure it stays fresh. Sure beats using Pectin.
ArizonaDave
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Huh, I'll have to go check that out. It does look like it has holding power from your videos. Moldy? I may not try it after all. I don't do mold. I'm happy with the Acacia fiber for now.
ArizonaDave
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Yes, it's like using Jello. But it is hydrating to the leaf, which is a plus in the desert! Speaking of that, our humidity level in Arizona is currently 50%+. So right now I prefer Acacia fiber, a little quicker drying. When the humidity gets down to 15%, I'll start using the methyl cellulose again, or I may try Gdaddy's new glue.
charlie G.
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Good info in this thread. As a newbie and expecting my first delivery of tobacco from WLT tomorrow I did a search on cigar glue to find what to use and found this thread I think a trip to Wallmart will be on the todo list tomorrow.
I was wondering about the leaf glue for a few days and was going to order some from the seller on ebay but will try the xanthan gum first.
Again this forum has a wealth of info on it to help everyone. Thanks for the info everyone.
I was wondering about the leaf glue for a few days and was going to order some from the seller on ebay but will try the xanthan gum first.
Again this forum has a wealth of info on it to help everyone. Thanks for the info everyone.
Mad Oshea
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The way I came to tast My glues, Was I rolled a stick, and not thinking- I stuck it in My mouth. It had a bit more glue than needed. It had a heavy citrus tast that I by far did not like. That is why I investigate all of the glues I use. Tapioca works great for Me so far.The Guar gum Don sends out is a good glue. I use Guar from time to time. I only mix My glue that I will use at the time. If there is any left, I wash it out for a new batch. I just like fresh glue.
Ivar Forkbeard
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A note on the Xanthem Gum at Wallmart, I was just there the other day (Tacoma, WA store) and they did not have the small packet shown above it in the baking isle, only a 1 lb bag for $10 or so. I asked the guy in the blue vest, and we finally figured out the small $0.50 pack was a few isles down in the gluten free section.
a 1 lb bag would be a 10 year supply!
The tapioca works good and is a close second, but the xanthem gum is a bit stickier and my favorite so far.
I found the Xanthan gum difficult to mix without lumps. Any suggestions? (It worked great for gluing a drooping headliner in my car.)
Bob
Bob
I use guar-gum for my cigars and usually put water in a cap of bottled water, and drop little amounts of the powder using a toothpick. A second toothpick is used for quick stirring.
If you use little gum, you end up with a "honey" texture.
You can use more and have a "gum" result.
If you use little gum, you end up with a "honey" texture.
You can use more and have a "gum" result.
Birage
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I, too, use guar gum and found it to hold the wrapper together as good if not better than some cigar glues that are available for sale. I have tried acacia, pectin, etc. but this seems to work good. I might try the tapioca suggestion. Experimenting is what makes all this good anyway, so there may be a bunch of natural gums that would be good for cigar rolling that we don't even know about.
Gdaddy
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I found a paper that discusses the different properties of gums and cellulose. It seems that Gum Tragacanth has some superior strength characteristics over other gums.
"Gum tragacanth is extracted from any of the thousands of
species of leguminous shrubs belonging to the genus, Astragalus.
The exudations are collected from incisions made at the roots
or in the bark of the shrub, those from the roots being of higher
quality. These exudations seem to result from a transformation
of pith cells and not from a plant secretion (as with other
gums). The binding strength of gum tragacanth is about eight to
ten times that of gum arabic; gum tragacanth is also less brittle."
http://cool.conservation-us.org/coolaic/sg/bpg/pcc/46_adhesives.pdf
"Gum tragacanth is extracted from any of the thousands of
species of leguminous shrubs belonging to the genus, Astragalus.
The exudations are collected from incisions made at the roots
or in the bark of the shrub, those from the roots being of higher
quality. These exudations seem to result from a transformation
of pith cells and not from a plant secretion (as with other
gums). The binding strength of gum tragacanth is about eight to
ten times that of gum arabic; gum tragacanth is also less brittle."
http://cool.conservation-us.org/coolaic/sg/bpg/pcc/46_adhesives.pdf
Cigar
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Silly question here..but is gum arabic same as guar gum?
Gdaddy
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No. However guar gum is in the catagory of 'gums' which is from plant secretions(ground endosperm of guar beans). Gum Tragacanth is the one that's different and has pith cells making it stronger.
I'm going to test some gum tragacanth and see for myself.
Cigar
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Thanks Gdaddy for that answer..I first started using the xanthan gum you mentioned before good but hard to mix..then friend here [Dave] sent me the acacia fiber it is great stuff drys very fast..sometimes too fast lol.
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Raodwarior
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I tried the xanthan gun and it worked fine but didn't last a week before mold, I went to bermocal and although a bit expensive lasts a whole lot longer. Now at 49 cents the xanthan is the best bet but the bermocal had no residual taste and lasts longer. I give it a coin toss.
Cigar
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the main reason i like the xanthan gum is it cheap/easy to buy local..but still looking for the glue you can make a "paste" with that has no after taste and only takes a little finger worth to hold good.
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Smokin Harley
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I still use plain old grocery store dry powdered fruit pectin, found in the canning section. Mix with just enough cool/room temp distilled water(same spray bottle I use when re-casing leaf)until it looks moist, let it sit a few minutes and stir , add a small spritz until it becomes the consistency of snot. I only make enough to use when I'm rolling ,which is only about 1/2 tsp of dry pectin per about 6 cigars. no smell , no taste and no funny color .
I use it as well, when I bother to use any glue. The issue with fruit pectin is that some folks can easily taste its presence. Some folks (me) don't.
Bob
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