i think the TI's are the most needed, the tc's are usually the same strain but with different augmentations. ti's have unique flavors.
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darren1979
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Only one i can find John called the millennium seedbank run by kew, lets say you have more chance of getting into fort knox.
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Fisherman
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Helpful info from GRIN site about their cultivar reports:
The format of the download is a comma delimited text file with double-quotes around character fields (GRIN.CSV file). In most browsers when you start the download you are prompted whether to open the file in an application or download it to your disk.
http://www.ars-grin.gov/npgs/dumpevalhelp.html
More identifier information here.
http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/obs.pl?1447599
Bingo!
http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/desclist.pl?81
The format of the download is a comma delimited text file with double-quotes around character fields (GRIN.CSV file). In most browsers when you start the download you are prompted whether to open the file in an application or download it to your disk.
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- acp = Accession prefix (4)
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- acs = Accession suffix (optional) (4)
- cmt = Commment about the accession (240)
- country = Country where the accession was collected/developed (30). Selecting country includes:
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- taxon = Taxonomic name of accession (100)
http://www.ars-grin.gov/npgs/dumpevalhelp.html
More identifier information here.
http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/obs.pl?1447599
Bingo!
http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/desclist.pl?81
AmaxB
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Update on my order to ARS-GRIN got all 8 types, I had ordered in the mail to day. 
Seen workhorse got seed as well
Seen workhorse got seed as well
I'm glad to hear that. Do you have any new variety to offer?
Fisherman
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Mr Deluxe,
When looking for a strain to grow................. Is the "SUCROSE ESTER CONTENT IN UG/CM2." or "SUCROESTER" a sign of a more flavorful tobacco????? Also what amount of nicotene would be good? High? Low?
When looking for a strain to grow................. Is the "SUCROSE ESTER CONTENT IN UG/CM2." or "SUCROESTER" a sign of a more flavorful tobacco????? Also what amount of nicotene would be good? High? Low?
Fisherman
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There are no orientals with a "TI" tho...... at least not in catalog number..........
FmGrowit grew a large number of varieties with high sucro-ester. I've sample some. My impression (just an impression) is that it does not relate to the flavor, but rather it seems to produce a leaf that is stickier after air-curing. Those that I kilned were flavorful, but not unusually so. My take is that those with high sucro-ester require more aging or require kilning, when compared to many other varieties. I may be way off here.
As another excursion into speculation, I believe that the existence of a Ti or Tc label is dependent on the sourcing of the seed donation. All accessions to ARS-GRIN have a Pi number. Some have even more obscure number prefixes.
Bob
As another excursion into speculation, I believe that the existence of a Ti or Tc label is dependent on the sourcing of the seed donation. All accessions to ARS-GRIN have a Pi number. Some have even more obscure number prefixes.
Bob
ive found the ti's to be the original bring backs from around the globe, ti stands for tobacco introduction. these are usually local tobaccos that were either wild or locally cultivated. the tcs are the commercial varieties. there is mixing though, a lot of the resistances we have in commercial stock is thanks to the introductions being bred into the line to give the commercial blend the resistance that the wild variety possessed.
from what i experienced personally (and i could be way off here) the burleys all taste pretty similar, the brights also all taste like other brights. the ti's have different flavors though, thats why i said ti's would be more important, simply because while you could request 50 different varieties of orinoco or orinoco offspring, they'd all grow slightly different but all taste basically the same. if your orinoco grows fine in your yard you're good to go with that entire category. same for burley and dark air. this is heavily my opinion though and i am not saying it is even true. but for me, i have no desire for maryland, so with 1 burley, 1 bright, 1 dark that satisfies me for all their incarnations, leaving my interests to trend to the ti's. silver river undoubtedly is a ti. so with limited space and time, the ti just interest me more because they are wild cards and not available anywhere else in the world really, whereas everyone sells burley, bright, dark, md, etc.
from what i experienced personally (and i could be way off here) the burleys all taste pretty similar, the brights also all taste like other brights. the ti's have different flavors though, thats why i said ti's would be more important, simply because while you could request 50 different varieties of orinoco or orinoco offspring, they'd all grow slightly different but all taste basically the same. if your orinoco grows fine in your yard you're good to go with that entire category. same for burley and dark air. this is heavily my opinion though and i am not saying it is even true. but for me, i have no desire for maryland, so with 1 burley, 1 bright, 1 dark that satisfies me for all their incarnations, leaving my interests to trend to the ti's. silver river undoubtedly is a ti. so with limited space and time, the ti just interest me more because they are wild cards and not available anywhere else in the world really, whereas everyone sells burley, bright, dark, md, etc.
In the book by Tso he says that optimal flavor is obtained when a ratio of approximately 5:1 is attained between nicotine and sucrosester. I grew Copan last year. It has the highest sucrosester content ever measured. I can't say it stood out in any particular way.
JessicaNicot
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Hello everyone. I am the newest curator of the US Nicotiana Germplasm Collection and I am very sorry that our accessions were previously unavailable as we worked to establish a new home and source of funding for the collection. Although our collection is included in the USDA backed GRIN program, our collection is not funded by the US government as many of the other programs are and thus some drastic measures were taken in order to protect and ultimately preserve the collection as we experienced the volitility of staff departures and budget cuts. However, now that the situation has stabilized, I wanted to inform you that all of our Nicotiana accessions have been restored to active status in GRIN, effective 1 April 2013, and that all domestic seed requests are being filled at this time. However, due to limited resources and staffing, international orders are being directed to the Tobacco Institute of Bergerac (http://www.imperial-tobacco-bergerac.com/index.html) in France.
For all of us thank you for the notification. Are you seeking/accepting seed to add to the bank? If so what are your criterion? I am sure members would be glad to contribute seed with good provenance/history if they knew what you wanted/needed. It might be of interest to know that we have members from many parts of the world.
I am sure it would be of interest to our members to know how you choose to store seed. That subject has been of lively interest recently.
Welcome to the forum and Thank you for the notification.
I'd like to suggest we not take advantage of this notification, but somehow organize a "seed request" thread to minimize the demand on the resource. In my opinion, there is no reason for everyone to request the same seeds when a single request could provide sufficient quantities for many requests.
I'd like to suggest we not take advantage of this notification, but somehow organize a "seed request" thread to minimize the demand on the resource. In my opinion, there is no reason for everyone to request the same seeds when a single request could provide sufficient quantities for many requests.
BarG
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The FTT seed bank is enough to keep me in hog heaven.
I'm good for this year. We'll see what next year briings. In the mean time with this years harvest our seed bank should gain ground. The "some how organize" thing seems to be a problem for us.
I'm going to try to have a hack made to allow for unlimited poll options and put the whole grin list in the poll. Each member would have 10 selections and their names would be made public.
This would be the easiest way to keep track of the desires of everyone who would want to participate in a reduced burden on the new curator of the grin seed bank.
I'll hold still while you aim.
This would be the easiest way to keep track of the desires of everyone who would want to participate in a reduced burden on the new curator of the grin seed bank.
I'll hold still while you aim.
Fisherman
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Good idea and am looking forward to the chance to help in growing out. I have 6 varieties ordered from commercial growers but would like to help out the seed bank also
Don,
I think that idea may be a challenge. The entire list (without the accession details) will be mostly meaningless, and will be so long that it will make the forum page less than user friendly. I would suggest instead that interested members simply explore ARS-GRIN and post their desires in a dedicated (i.e. chatter-free) thread. Then we can have an eager volunteer (I nominate Knucklehead.) do the math, and make up a final list.
Bob
I think that idea may be a challenge. The entire list (without the accession details) will be mostly meaningless, and will be so long that it will make the forum page less than user friendly. I would suggest instead that interested members simply explore ARS-GRIN and post their desires in a dedicated (i.e. chatter-free) thread. Then we can have an eager volunteer (I nominate Knucklehead.) do the math, and make up a final list.
Bob
I'll second the motion.
All in favor...
Great, it's unanimous.
Wallace, if you need some help starting the thread, let JBD know
leverhead
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I'll second that too! I think Knucklehead can count to 21, more if they taught him to cypher in Bama
A coordinated effort effort will get more done.Steve
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