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I am not much of a politics guy and definitely NO fan of Obama but this morning at the gym I was watching the news unfolding on the tv .it seems he has had a 20 yr American prisoner released in trade for 3 Cubans and also some plan for possibly ending the 1960 embargo... saying that (paraphrasing) every other country has Cuban relations ,why not the US.
the first thing I thought of was ...legal Cuban cigars on US soil is a possibility.
 

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Reasons for the embargo have always been argumentative. This year, United Nations General Assembly adjudged (which was non-binding) the US for the embargo. That was not the first but 23rd, in a row. While 188 countries supported Cuba there was only one with the US, Israel.

I hope it will end and everybody smokes some nice Cuban cigars to celebrate.
 

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This is funny I was just reading about this now..first thing I thought was what will do to prices of "rest" tobacco/cigars from rest of non-cuban growing areas?

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My only reservation about dropping the embargo is that it could be the final nail in coffin for Connecticut grown shade. Before the embargo, most cigars were made in Tampa and New York using Cuban filler, broadleaf, CT Havana seed or Zimmer Spanish binder and CT-USA shade wrappers.

Nowadays though, no cigars are made on a large scale in the US and many countries produce a cheaper (and inferior) version of "Connecticut" shade. Many fine new wrappers have also been developed, independent of Cuba. Letting Cuban leaf cigars into the US can only hurt cigar tobacco growers in Conn, Mass, Pennsylvania, Ohio--where cigar tobacco is still grown, and hurt he Cuban exiles who have done great work in other latin countries. The embargo has been like a protective tariff for USA cigar tobacco growers, and growers in the Caribbean and Central America as well, and I oppose lifting the embargo for the damage it will do to especially to USA growers.

Cuban seed has been perfected in a dozen countries by now, through pure capitalistic intentions. Communist workers are lazy because it's hardly possible for them to lose their jobs, regardless of the inconsistency of their work. Cuban cigars and tobacco since Communism have deteriorated in consistent quality. Why the big mystique about Cuban cigars? They aren't any better than Dominicans or Nicaraguans or Hondurans. We don't need Cuba anymore--Castro saw to that.
 
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In my opinion...the embargo punishes people whose only crime is having been born in Cuba. On the hand, the embargo has protected Cuba from western pop culture. A friend of mine went to Cuba a couple years ago and told me how a beach miles long was filled with people dancing and singing, he said everyone was happy. Give them 5 years of contamination of American pop culture to become the murder capitol of the world.
 

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I truly don't see this changing the cigar landscape all that much. Cuba can't produce enough tobacco on its own and has been importing additional for years. Those who enjoy Connecticut tobacco will continue to.

What I see if a brief uptick in overly expensive Cuban cigars being sold for a short period of time until smokers find out it is not nirvana. Than going back to their regular rotation.

The exciting thing that could happen is giving some of the top tier blenders outside of Cuba access to Cuban leaf to add to their blends, this could be the next renaissance of the cigar industry.


I do see the removal of the embargo however, dead on arrival to congress.
 

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My concern would be shortage of Cuban cigars and sky rocketing prices based on the huge demand from the U.S. I don't think that the Cuban factories would be able to keep up with demand at the least not for the foreseeable future.
 

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In my opinion...the embargo punishes people whose only crime is having been born in Cuba. On the hand, the embargo has protected Cuba from western pop culture. A friend of mine went to Cuba a couple years ago and told me how a beach miles long was filled with people dancing and singing, he said everyone was happy. Give them 5 years of contamination of American pop culture to become the murder capitol of the world.

I care more about the effect on US and other tobacco growers than the effect on the Cubans. If they didn't like Communism they have had plenty of time to say so. Is it fair to all the Cuban growers who fled Castro, who stole their farms and factories, and developed Dominican, Ecuador, etc?
 

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My concern would be shortage of Cuban cigars and sky rocketing prices based on the huge demand from the U.S. I don't think that the Cuban factories would be able to keep up with demand at the least not for the foreseeable future.

I agree. Once big tobacco gets into Cuba (as Altadis has already done) they wiill jack up prices to higher than today's highest, cashing in the Cuban "mystique," which stopped being real when Castro came. Can Communism produce any superior product? Consider the cheap China crap we are forced to buy now. It will just be cheap Cuban crap at inflated prices.
 

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I truly don't see this changing the cigar landscape all that much. Cuba can't produce enough tobacco on its own and has been importing additional for years. Those who enjoy Connecticut tobacco will continue to.

What I see if a brief uptick in overly expensive Cuban cigars being sold for a short period of time until smokers find out it is not nirvana. Than going back to their regular rotation.

The exciting thing that could happen is giving some of the top tier blenders outside of Cuba access to Cuban leaf to add to their blends, this could be the next renaissance of the cigar industry.


I do see the removal of the embargo however, dead on arrival to congress.

You're probably right about the effect of availability of Cuban for filler--filler has historically been its primary use.
 
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I'm all for the embargo ending but agree with the poster who said it could be DOA in Congress. There are strong politician forces in South Florida dead set against it. I'm new to rolling but not to cigars and have smoked my share of ISOM's. I have had the opinion for several years that Cubans have been overated; I have smoked Cubans who quality were awful. The tobacco and cigars in Nic, Hon, DR and others have continued to improve and rival if not surpass Cuban cigars in some cases. IMHO, the appeal of many Americans for Cubans were simply the fact that they wasn't supposed to have them. Once (if) they become legal that appeal will be gone. I have friends who have gone to great lengths, expense and risk of bringing Cubans in, in many of these cases the "Cubans" they ended up were fake. A high percentage of "Cubans" purchased in Cuba by tourists are fake; you can't buy a box of real Cubans in Havana for $40 and no, Cohiba's don't come in a box with a glass top. Probably 90% of "Cubans" bought in Cancun and other tourist traps are fake. Most of the Cubans I've smoked I bought in Europe at Habanos S.A. dealers and I hope they were real given what they cost, but I've had many non-ISOM cigars I really prefer over them. I get a real kick over a guy in my hunting club, he loves to whip out a Maduro? "Cuban" light it up and watch that long white ash develop and hear him tell us what it cost and who he knows to get it. I haven't the heart to tell him he paid +$50 for a decent Honduran.
To me the exciting thing is the possibility that WLT can someday offer Pinar del Rio leaf.
My 2 cents worth, but I could be wrong.

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oh sure, I agree that the whole "Cuban mystique" will be a flash in the pan for a while and for somebody business will be great, just hope they know when to ditch before the lull...like someone said it'll be like Coors back in the day . once its not illegal, there will be a bunch of boom rush sales then it'll die down and everything will go back to normal.
 

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The embargo was supposed to bring that thieving rascal Castro to his knees. Sumbidge kicked the Mafia out of their casinos, stole sugar plantations, rum refineries. Gonna teach him a lesson. Not about human rights -- every place on this planet where they speak Spanish, government is despotic. Big deal; we're turning to despotism too. When you think about violation of human rights in Cuba today, you think of Gitmo, not Havana. Embargo was sposed to take Fidel down a peg. So he's down a peg. And each peon under his heel is down five pegs.

Well, fifty five years later, Fidel is drooling on his jello, Mafia moved to Vegas, sugar spread from Florida to Hawaii, rum comes from Puerto Rico. Cuba is left with not much left to sell. If they can make a couple bucks off cigars, let them. Sell some vacation packages. Sell some cheap hands to someone opening an assembly plant. Everyone needs to eat.

Batista ain't coming back. Gotta get over it.
 

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You guys just wait and see. If the embargo is lifted we will have tens of thousands of counterfeit cuban cigars everywhere you look. The"real" ones will sell for $40.00 a piece
 

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If you enjoy a cuban smoke, stock up before the embargo ends. When/if it does end the US market will be awash in high priced fakes. Having a trusted vendor at that time will be more important than it is now.

Taste is subjective so it really doesn't matter why someone enjoys a cigar, as long as they enjoy it.


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You guys just wait and see. If the embargo is lifted we will have tens of thousands of counterfeit cuban cigars everywhere you look. The"real" ones will sell for $40.00 a piece

lol

Portland, and Long Beach will do a brisk business in Cubans!
...then it dawned on me... There will probably be enough profit that air freight will be used initially.
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I feel sorry for Cuban people, they've waited years for the embargo to be lifted and in return they will get a Starbucks on every corner.
 

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I feel sorry for Cuban people, they've waited years for the embargo to be lifted and in return they will get a Starbucks on every corner.

There's an article in NYT (full text) exact about this situation and a guy says "It’s just not going to be like other regions where you see a McDonald’s on every corner."

We'll see.
 
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