Toasting Conditions In a Mason Jar

[Chuckrambo]

Is it a good idea to turn my oven to 175 with a mason jar of dried burley and a bowl of water for a few hrs to get rid of the hay flavour

Any input would be appreciated

 

[Alpine]

Have you already kilned it? If not, I’d rather kiln than toast burley leaves... some burleys require a couple (or more) of weeks after kilning to be palatable.

pier

 

[Chuckrambo]

No kiln there dry tho past color cure

 

[Chuckrambo]

I hung them for about 4 weeks

 

[Oldfella]

My thoughts would be to try a few and see how they come out. Also what variety of Burley is it? Some are good to smoke as soon as they're dry, Yellow Twist Bud is one.
Oldfella

 

[Alpine]

You can try to toast the leaves, but a proper kilning of a month or so would be much better. OR, just leave the tobacco hanging for a year or two. Tobacco requires patience, always burley in particular. One month in the kiln can do wonders as far as taste goes, especially with burley and cigar strains.
If you decide to go with toasting, read the forum and use a few leaves at time: don’t risk all your crop all at once!

pier

 

[Knucklehead]

No kiln there dry tho past color cure

Kilns don’t have to be complicated or expensive. For example:

China Voodoo's Invertebrate Kiln

I'm using a temperature controller. Temperature is produced by two 40W incandescent bulbs which hang inside an aluminum tube, with forced air provided full time by a 110V fan purchased at princess auto. The tube is bent so it blows air from the bottom to the top. Tobacco is in...

fairtradetobacco.com

 

[Chuckrambo]

As for the strain I'm not sure their from seeds Elena's organic garden

 

[Chuckrambo]

There is pics in my grow blog

 

[Chuckrambo]

Hey knucklehead Thanx for the link to the temp must remain at 120 ? For months

 

[Alpine]

The mantra of kilning is 52C (125F) at 75% relative humidity for 4 or 5 weeks. You can make kilning a cumbersome thing by adding humidity controllers, fans etc, or take the easy way and go with a heat source (a crockpot usually) a thermostat (less than 10$ on eBay) and an insulated box of some sort. Plenty of plans of building a kiln here on FTT, use the search button.

pier

 

[Homegrowngoodnes]

Would it be beneficial to have multiple varieties in the kiln at once or would the flavors blend/mingle? I will be growing multiple varieties and will likely only have 1 kiln. Can't we use a kiln to sort of flue cure? Only at first not using moisture until we get our color cure accomplished?

 

[Cray Squirrel]

You can use a kiln to age any type of leaf together just so they been color cured first.
You can put them in a bag at an in case condition and just check them once in a while to make sure they're not dry. Too wet is better than too dry. Soggy isnt going to cure well at all but they can be on the moister side. If they're dry, the amylase enzymes stop converting starch to sugars and after you bring the leaf back into case they will start again... Unless you get the temp too high and kill them. Stay around 126 to 128 f.
A flue cure chamber needs to have insulation that can stand up to flue curing temperatures. Regular foam or building fiberglass dont cut it. For final stem kill in a flue cure you need to get to 168 degrees f and hold it for 24 hours.
Only flue cure varieties will work like this. BURLEY WILL NOT! Nor will dark tobaccos. Air cure them, then after color curing kiln them at 126 or so for a month and a half to age and make smoke able. Some members use their hot attic as an aging/kiln area. Check your temperatures it might work. KISS...

 

[Oldfella]

Would it be beneficial to have multiple varieties in the kiln at once or would the flavors blend/mingle? I will be growing multiple varieties and will likely only have 1 kiln. Can't we use a kiln to sort of flue cure? Only at first not using moisture until we get our color cure accomplished?

1) If you're worried about the flavors mixing maybe a smaller kiln is what you need. I may be wrong but I don't think that Tobacco would be affected by the flavors mixing this happens in the burning or the chewing as it is used.
2) I don't see why a kiln aka chamber could not perform the whole process, it just needs stand all the conditions required.
1: color curing or yellowing
2: Ageing, Flue-curing,
And so on, I'm working on one now and will post it on my new blog for 2022. Good luck with your curing and I'm sure you'll enjoy the end product.
Oldfella

 

[Oldfella]

You can use a kiln to age any type of leaf together just so they been color cured first.
You can put them in a bag at an in case condition and just check them once in a while to make sure they're not dry. Too wet is better than too dry. Soggy isnt going to cure well at all but they can be on the moister side. If they're dry, the amylase enzymes stop converting starch to sugars and after you bring the leaf back into case they will start again... Unless you get the temp too high and kill them. Stay around 126 to 128 f.
A flue cure chamber needs to have insulation that can stand up to flue curing temperatures. Regular foam or building fiberglass dont cut it. For final stem kill in a flue cure you need to get to 168 degrees f and hold it for 24 hours.
Only flue cure varieties will work like this. BURLEY WILL NOT! Nor will dark tobaccos. Air cure them, then after color curing kiln them at 126 or so for a month and a half to age and make smoke able. Some members use their hot attic as an aging/kiln area. Check your temperatures it might work. KISS...

You should not open the kiln until the process is finished. If the leaf is at the right case level it should stay that way in a sealed container (bag)
My thinking is that every time you open your kiln you increase your kilning time, a bit like taking the lid off your crock pot while you're cooking dinner. Just my two cents worth.
Oldfella

 

[Homegrowngoodnes]

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1) If you're worried about the flavors mixing maybe a smaller kiln is what you need. I may be wrong but I don't think that Tobacco would be affected by the flavors mixing this happens in the burning or the chewing as it is used.
2) I don't see why a kiln aka chamber could not perform the whole process, it just needs stand all the conditions required.
1: color curing or yellowing
2: Ageing, Flue-curing,
And so on, I'm working on one now and will post it on my new blog for 2022. Good luck with your curing and I'm sure you'll enjoy the end product.
Oldfella

Truthfully I have yet to even germinate seeds. I will be growing in 2022. I'm just taking advantage of the time I have between now and then to absorb as much information and/or techniques as I can in order to better my chances of success. Science and math were my two best subjects in school. While that was a long time ago, I like to stay practiced. I have been tossing around grow plans and attempting to calculate how many plants and how much room etc and so forth. I will attempt a good variety of plants. My main areas of focus will be for my wife's cigarettes and my dip/moist snuff although cigars can be quite tastey at times also!

 

[Homegrowngoodnes]

You should not open the kiln until the process is finished. If the leaf is at the right case level it should stay that way in a sealed container (bag)
My thinking is that every time you open your kiln you increase your kilning time, a bit like taking the lid off your crock pot while you're cooking dinner. Just my two cents worth.
Oldfella

It makes sense. So I take it that vapor proof bags would be the way to go over zip-loc bags huh? Keep the case consistent and let er rip! lol

 

[Cray Squirrel]

I

Truthfully I have yet to even germinate seeds. I will be growing in 2022. I'm just taking advantage of the time I have between now and then to absorb as much information and/or techniques as I can in order to better my chances of success. Science and math were my two best subjects in school. While that was a long time ago, I like to stay practiced. I have been tossing around grow plans and attempting to calculate how many plants and how much room etc and so forth. I will attempt a good variety of plants. My main areas of focus will be for my wife's cigarettes and my dip/moist snuff although cigars can be quite tastey at times also!

Git thinking that you live in Florida...
Can grow 2 crops a year...
Dont have to wait on us eskimos who can barely get one crop finished before the frost gods stomp us..
Prolly plant out by end of Feb or so on the first crop.. Ask some of the Florida growers that are from up in the pan handle or southern Bama people. . Read, study, understand...Your questions have gotten better as your understanding grows.

 

[Oldfella]

It makes sense. So I take it that vapor proof bags would be the way to go over zip-loc bags huh? Keep the case consistent and let er rip! lol

@deluxestogie Has done some good ideas on kilning in containers. Just use the search engine at the top corner of the page, his method may be better suited to your needs.
Oldfella

 

[Homegrowngoodnes]

Read, study, understand...Your questions have gotten better as your understanding grows

Thanks for noticing. lol My wife hates it but I like to understand exactly what's going on before I commit to a task. The better prepared, the better the outcome. It makes it easier to know ahead of time instead of chasing your tail trying to figure out how to correct an issue. This is what we expect to happen but if this happens then we do this instead. Ya know?