I may try that, I don't mind a little Captain Black White once in a while.
Cased Tobacco Pipe Blend Recipes
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Indianapiper
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I Didn’t think the wiki would cover such a thing considering this place seems to be all about unflavored tobacco. So I will go check there. Is it really detailed there or is it just skimmed over though?
If you google any single chemical flavorant, such as vanillin, you end up with a huge list of things that contain it. The authors of that silly article appear to have done that, in order to add the flavor of sensation to the otherwise boring and simple statement that artificial vanilla is primarily vanillin.I've heard some rough tales about what simulated vanilla is really made from. Real vanilla is quite pricey around here but probably your best bet for tobacco.
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I expect the price of natural vanilla to drop over the next year or so, since it has now been about 3 years since Madagascar's vanilla production was ripped up by a cyclone, and new vanilla orchids had to be planted.
Bob
This codger is all about unflavored tobacco. This place is about whatever tobacco you like.
Bob
I tried a quick and rough experiment with what I had;
I grabbed a hunk of Harrow Velvet cavendish and crudely basted it with an also crude mixture of approximately 1/8 tsp honey, 3tbs freshly boiled r.o. water and I'd guess about 1/16 tsp 'vanilla', until it soaked in. Then I dried it and stuffed it into a pipe.
I was thinking that the honey might: 1) act as a humectant/moisturizer/ 2) provide a kind of carrier for the vanilla, the way glycerine does in evape gunk, 3) smooth out the throat hit of the HV Cav, I find just a tad scratchy, as I think understand it, due to an alkaline smoke pH.
The honey does keep the leaf from drying out completely, it has a slightly gummy leather texture.
It actually is pretty nice, in line with a Captain Black White type of deal, though I wouldn't say it's an exact replica. I'll probably keep playing with this one, it's a nice treat and I would probably rather smoke this than CBW at this point. It's just a bit 'ashy' at times which I think a little tinkering with the pH should fix, maybe add some flue cure. It's more full and tobacco like. It is also missing the cardboard flavour I get from the captain at times. I consider this to be a good thing.
I grabbed a hunk of Harrow Velvet cavendish and crudely basted it with an also crude mixture of approximately 1/8 tsp honey, 3tbs freshly boiled r.o. water and I'd guess about 1/16 tsp 'vanilla', until it soaked in. Then I dried it and stuffed it into a pipe.
I was thinking that the honey might: 1) act as a humectant/moisturizer/ 2) provide a kind of carrier for the vanilla, the way glycerine does in evape gunk, 3) smooth out the throat hit of the HV Cav, I find just a tad scratchy, as I think understand it, due to an alkaline smoke pH.
The honey does keep the leaf from drying out completely, it has a slightly gummy leather texture.
It actually is pretty nice, in line with a Captain Black White type of deal, though I wouldn't say it's an exact replica. I'll probably keep playing with this one, it's a nice treat and I would probably rather smoke this than CBW at this point. It's just a bit 'ashy' at times which I think a little tinkering with the pH should fix, maybe add some flue cure. It's more full and tobacco like. It is also missing the cardboard flavour I get from the captain at times. I consider this to be a good thing.
Not sure what vanilla bean is used to cost but even today it doesn't seem like it's that expensive. There are retailers on Etsy selling bundles of the stuff for between 8-17 dollars.
I expect you could make quite a load of vanilla casing/topping out of these.
Indianapiper
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I wasn’t sure which thread to put this in so put it here since it involves commercial tobacco.
So I had 2 ounces of newminster 400 Navy flake That was biting my tongue. So I went to the local tobacconist and he suggested adding 2 ounces of Burley so I did. And an interesting thing happened. The tongue bite when I tried it this morning was greatly reduced however the flavor of the Virginia’s was muted quite a bit. I suspect part of that is because the Burly Was Lane burley without bite. I figured it out after I tried a bowl of the burly straight and it matched all the reviews which makes it an aromatic unfortunately.
However I can’t judge too harshly my commercial creation because I didn’t practice good piping this this morning when I tried it. I was fast I was hot I wasn’t breath smoking. So I’m gonna give it some more tries and see what happens.
However even with the lightly aromatic Burley the blend did go down very considerably so it makes me wonder what untopped Virginia and untopped Burley would be like. I’ll keep you posted. Looking forward to feedback.
This store also contains Sutliff Virginia bright flakes which are a blending component, they have perique and Latakia and they’re going to get some Orientals and Turkish. It’s all commercial but maybe I could try blending some recipes from these guys as well. I know we support WLT here, I just feel like supporting my local guys right now because there’s some pretty intense competition coming in and it’s a big chain store and I don’t want to see the locals go out of business.
So I had 2 ounces of newminster 400 Navy flake That was biting my tongue. So I went to the local tobacconist and he suggested adding 2 ounces of Burley so I did. And an interesting thing happened. The tongue bite when I tried it this morning was greatly reduced however the flavor of the Virginia’s was muted quite a bit. I suspect part of that is because the Burly Was Lane burley without bite. I figured it out after I tried a bowl of the burly straight and it matched all the reviews which makes it an aromatic unfortunately.
However I can’t judge too harshly my commercial creation because I didn’t practice good piping this this morning when I tried it. I was fast I was hot I wasn’t breath smoking. So I’m gonna give it some more tries and see what happens.
However even with the lightly aromatic Burley the blend did go down very considerably so it makes me wonder what untopped Virginia and untopped Burley would be like. I’ll keep you posted. Looking forward to feedback.
This store also contains Sutliff Virginia bright flakes which are a blending component, they have perique and Latakia and they’re going to get some Orientals and Turkish. It’s all commercial but maybe I could try blending some recipes from these guys as well. I know we support WLT here, I just feel like supporting my local guys right now because there’s some pretty intense competition coming in and it’s a big chain store and I don’t want to see the locals go out of business.
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That is certainly a legitimate goal. (You might also whisper in the ear of you local tobacconist that he/she might look at WLT from a wholesale standpoint. Unfortunately, most tobacconists are vendors, rather than blenders.)
With the commercial ingredients, allow them to dry for an hour or more after packing the pipe. Burley will naturally balance flue-cured Virginia.
Bob
Indianapiper
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thanks for the input Bob. I have been advised in the past to dry out commercial stuff and I can’t believe it just doesn’t cross my mind when it’s time to fillable. I’m going to try that tonight when I get off work fill a bowl and let it sit for an hour or so. I have other things that are already dried out that I can enjoy while I wait.
Now this Shop has been in Fort Wayne for well over 100 years. They have been doing “custom blended” pipe tobacco since the beginning. Now I assume that their blending is mostly of commercial components and some of their custom blinds are pretty good. They have a knack for taking off the shelf aromatic blends and putting them together and making it taste good. They also have a couple of non-aromatic blends that they do they’re also very good as well.
I’ll talk to him and see what he has to say and point them towards WLT as you suggest. It’s looking like that might be a future possibility considering Indiana is talking about a ban on all flavored pipe tobacco. Which would harm his business considerably.
Indianapiper
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Thought I would give an update on my blend. I have been smoking it for a few days now and I have come to some unfortunate conclusions. There seems to be a multifold problem with this blend. First Despite adding 50% burley to it, tongue bite is still present. Granted it is not as bad as before but I still have to be thoughtful when smoking it.(like I am right now) Secondly the flavor. If i slow smoke it to avoid bite, the flavor is super mild almost to the point of undetectable. In order to pull the most out of it, i have to draw really hard and that lead to bite. So I am doing my best to avoid hard draws, and stay slow and relaxed. So far the flavor is there but like a whisper.
The flavor as it is, is good. A nice dark sugar kind of flavor. Does anyone have any suggestions for me to add to this blend to amp up the flavor? Is the usage of commercial burley the reason why tongue bite still exists? (I think it is blwb) I really need to get some WLT and see if I can do better. All I want is a bite free, sweet all day smoke. I don't need it to be complicated or nuanced.
The flavor as it is, is good. A nice dark sugar kind of flavor. Does anyone have any suggestions for me to add to this blend to amp up the flavor? Is the usage of commercial burley the reason why tongue bite still exists? (I think it is blwb) I really need to get some WLT and see if I can do better. All I want is a bite free, sweet all day smoke. I don't need it to be complicated or nuanced.
It could be. I quickly get lost when the blend includes commercial pipe tobacco as well as casings. It's easy to find out.
Bob
Indianapiper
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What would your suggestion be Bob? Try to re-create the blend myself using a uncased WLT and some Maryland?
WLT leaf and uncased sound like a place to start.
Bob
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PressuredLeaf
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I've cased a few WLT blends with various sugars. I can tell you, if you over do it, it will certainly bite. Compared to commercial blends, smoking it slow and taking your time is the way to get around the issue. I also found a corn cob helps with the bitey blends. If you want something sweet, go with WLT Virginia and press it for a while. I have very nice plug that is wlt hand tied, a drop of bergamot, and a drop or two of invert sugar carried in some red wine. At 1 year old, the plug is rich sweet and tangy (but still bites if you smoke it too quickly!).
Indianapiper
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I made an interesting discovery today. I bought a bag of Mac Baren red haalborg a few weeks ago. It is an aromatic that had been discontinued, and was supposedly a high end blend from them. Even came in a fancy red tin.
So I left it in the bags to drive down to a more usable state. And in doing so I discovered that the flavoring almost completely disappeared. It’s supposed to be a fruity flavor but now I’m mostly getting the Virginia’s and black Cavendish and Burley from the tobacco.
So instead of lamenting the loss of the topping, I now have 8 ounces of decently that’s almost devoid of typing that I can add other whole leaf too!
considering adding some oriental to it.
So I left it in the bags to drive down to a more usable state. And in doing so I discovered that the flavoring almost completely disappeared. It’s supposed to be a fruity flavor but now I’m mostly getting the Virginia’s and black Cavendish and Burley from the tobacco.
So instead of lamenting the loss of the topping, I now have 8 ounces of decently that’s almost devoid of typing that I can add other whole leaf too!
considering adding some oriental to it.
GWLee
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For the past couple of weeks, I have been receiving email notifications from various vape related sites I was buying my flavorings from, that Congress had a rider in a major bill passed late last year that outlaws shipping of vape related products. So, after March 25, 2021 no more ordering on line and having it shipped to you. Last month, having found other avenues and venues to buy flavorings from, I had just started shifting away from ordering vape product flavorings, as I am ordering flavorings (vanilla, butterscotch, pecan, etc) in larger quantities. Flavorings from vape industry sites typically sell in 10, 30, 120 and 500ml bottles at an acceptable price (then), but I am needing it in slightly larger amounts and slightly cheaper. While I have drifted away more for quantity than price reasons, I think it really stinks that vape industry is taking more hits, beatings and poundings from the legislature and unfortunately our de jure representatives.
Someone had mentioned earlier in this thread about the "powers that be" may soon legislate against flavored tobaccos (which in fact they have done already for manufactured cigars and cigarettes), I believe that they will soon be looking at the tobacco industry next and harder for bigger beatings and punches, and we'll be impacted. I'm not being political, just a warning to stock up on flavorings now if you want to buy from vape sites, or else you can do like I have started doing and going to other venues for the flavors.
Someone had mentioned earlier in this thread about the "powers that be" may soon legislate against flavored tobaccos (which in fact they have done already for manufactured cigars and cigarettes), I believe that they will soon be looking at the tobacco industry next and harder for bigger beatings and punches, and we'll be impacted. I'm not being political, just a warning to stock up on flavorings now if you want to buy from vape sites, or else you can do like I have started doing and going to other venues for the flavors.
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GWLee
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Yep, that is one avenue I was using, but found more and better items from other locations that are baking friendly as well, which leads right into use for pipe tobacco. There are quite a few venues outside of the vape lines, they are just resellers. Plus, there are common items already in the kitchen that can be used as well, one just has to work to find the correct dilution rates with the carrier vehicles, i.e. water, alcohol, etc if unable to use straight. For some folks, the smaller size bottles may be more useful than bigger ones, its just that I experiment a lot and if I'm not careful, can use a 30 or 120 ml bottle before I arrive at the flavor I'm looking for.LorAnn Oils | Essential Oils, Candy Flavors, Baking Flavors & Extracts
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Also, while I was vaping years ago, I was made aware that some of the mixes/flavors from LorAnn Oils, Capella, Flavor West, etc are prone to their own issues when vaped, such as causing "popcorn lung," etc (although that is attributed more to the vapor caused by the liquid flashing on the metal coils than anything else, and the different metal types of coils also causes various reactionary issues). So there is per se no truly and absolutely safe method of consuming nicotine and other products, other than consuming it straight and that is extremely deadly, plus causes gastric issues, maybe baking it into brownies, then that causes other side effects such as sugar intake (leading to diabetes), weight gain, etc. Maybe just rubbing tobacco leaves on your skin and absorbing it like that, but I'd bet that there is some sort of issue from that way as well lol.
So as noted there is no "quick" way to consume nicotine without some sort of side effect. For me, my vice is tobacco use in the form of pipe and cigarette smoking.
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GWLee
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I have, and I believe others as well, used the vape flavors as such, but I can only speak to only my actions and no one else's. I have not had any issues, effects, etc from blending as such. Again, this is only my POV and I represent only myself. If one uses the vape flavor in vap mods they are exposed to other issues as I noted in my other post, but it is not per se from the flavoring, but more from chemical/mechanical reactions. I have not had any mold or staleness issues from what limited experimenting I have done. but that is only in a six month period, maybe a year, two, five or longer, there may be issues with mold and the like, but I would attribute that more to the moisture level than the flavorings added.
Personally, I take an amount of tobacco 1, 2, 4 oz etc, and after I have developed what I want to use for a topping/casing, let the tobacco soak in the liquid for various amounts of time. I try to have at least 1/4 to 1/2 of the jar with standing liquid for redistribution later. I just opened some this week that I put in a jar back during Thanksgiving 2020. The tobacco has the desired "aroma" I was shooting for, it had to be dried out for different times, but when pipe burn tested, it was pretty good and close to what I was aiming for, but needs some tweaking to get it spot on. It burned pretty good, had the right hit and it did not bite and had a good feel/impact. I also try various soaking times from hours, to days to weeks, and will be doing some in the near future where I will let it sit and age longer. It's similar to how cavendish was originally created in that the tobacco was stored in run/whiskey barrels for transportation for various times/distances. I'm just utilizing the methodology in a slight different process. Daily, I will also rotate the jars on various axes to ensure that any standing liquid is redistributed and basically recoating all tobacco in the jar and not just the area where the liquid has settled down to, this also shifts the tobacco so that it is not staying static in one place. Granted the way perique is made is different, but I'm not ready to try that process yet as it requires keeping the tobacco under pressure, maybe will do something like that in the future, but have other goals right now.
Again, I am not a doctor, chemist, scientist by any means, just learn by what I can research and experiment with. I only speak to my experiences, there are far more smarter and experienced folks on here who would be better apt at giving ramifications.
Sorry, I've been working in the Government way too long (45 years) and always have to give a "legalized" version/disclosure of my speak lol.
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