Chillardbee’s 2023 cariboo seed grow out
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chillardbee
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96 is just a little more than half the varieties I have to grow. Figure I’d 96 this year than the other 60 some odd next year.
I’ll do a special specific grow for the N1737 burley and novregrad IF… Big IF… I manage to get some sprouted.
chillardbee
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Here’s the preliminary list of seeds for this year’s grow out.
Yes it’s a long list, yes it’s going to be a lot of work, yes I’m getting older, and yes my body hurts just thinking about it lol.
I already have the trays filled with the #4 sunshine mix, however, I need to make tags to mark them. I do have a hard copy of the above list and numbered and it’s just easier to number the tags. So, I reckon I’m off to the shop to cut some tags.
- Banana leaf
- Bamboo shoot
- African red
- Lemon bright
- White mammoth
- Yellow mammoth
- White gold
- Yellow gold
- Bright yellow
- Yellow special
- Carolina bright
- Dixie Bright
- Virginia Brightleaf
- Virginia gold
- Gold dollar
- Bonanza
- Delhi 76
- Delhi 61
- Delcrest
- Delgold
- Big Gem
- Oronico
- Harvest gold
- Chillardbee’s angel Leaf
- Harrow velvet
- Harrow 12
- Golden burley
- Burley com var
- Yellow twist bud
- TN 90
- Kelly Burley
- Barnett special
- NCY burley
- N 7371
- Haronova
- Burley 21
- Maryland 59
- Maryland 40
- Maryland 21
- Maryland 14-D2
- Prilep 79-84
- Prilep P66-9/7
- Bursa
- Black Sea basma
- Bafra
- Samson
- Samson Maiden
- Izmar
- Xanthi yaka
- Yayladag
- Sultasko
- Harmanliiska basma
- Mutki
- Humgarian baiano
- Neverokop 5
- Krumpvgrad 90
- Ottoman HY
- Kozarsko 541
- Peremochez
- Djebel 174
- Greenwood
- One sucker
- Perique
- Brown Leaf
- Ash
- Dean
- Little Crittendon
- Small stalk Black mammoth
- VH Madole
- TR Madole
- Madole
- Little wood
- Narrow leaf Madole
- Shirey
- Gold leaf oronico
- White stem oronico
- Frog eye oronico
- Little sweet oronico
- Pranke N-1
- Aztec
- McNair 373
- Mack type 41
- K 326
- Adonis
- Alida
- Alma ata
- Ergo
- German Jupiter
- Hickory prior
- Red Russian
- Cherry red
- Timor
- Catterton
- Silver River
- Maryland 609
- Vesta 64
Yes it’s a long list, yes it’s going to be a lot of work, yes I’m getting older, and yes my body hurts just thinking about it lol.
I already have the trays filled with the #4 sunshine mix, however, I need to make tags to mark them. I do have a hard copy of the above list and numbered and it’s just easier to number the tags. So, I reckon I’m off to the shop to cut some tags.
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How many of each variety are you planning to grow?
Bob
Bob
chillardbee
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Just a Cluster of 2-3 in a spot like I did. for the 2014 grow out.
chillardbee
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Planted. I put them under lights this time which is the first time I’ve ever done that for tobacco.
I won’t keep them under the lights for long. I always liked getting them use to the elements early.
I won’t keep them under the lights for long. I always liked getting them use to the elements early.
chillardbee
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So, apart from the trays I just planted, I started some backup and special interest seeds of 5 varieties just in case.
First, the burley N7371. I started some from the 2014 saved seeds and a few from the original seeds that came from Lakota when we did the seed exchange. I ended up utilizing the one seed that did sprout about a month ago and I hope I don’t regret that…
The second were two original seeds of Izmar, one from madhouse and the other from DG Bama. The reason is that one of these was not actually izmar and I forgot which one it is and also, I can’t seem to find the collect 2014 seeds I had harvested (how did I lose them? ~shakes head~
The third is original seed from dimitris of the Maryland 609 because I can’t find the collected seeds from that variety either but want/need it as a part of my collection.
All these varieties are extremely important to me but the N7371 really is the most important. The N7371 burley was probably the best burley I had ever grown being a massive plant for a burley and cured fantastic.
First, the burley N7371. I started some from the 2014 saved seeds and a few from the original seeds that came from Lakota when we did the seed exchange. I ended up utilizing the one seed that did sprout about a month ago and I hope I don’t regret that…
The second were two original seeds of Izmar, one from madhouse and the other from DG Bama. The reason is that one of these was not actually izmar and I forgot which one it is and also, I can’t seem to find the collect 2014 seeds I had harvested (how did I lose them? ~shakes head~
The third is original seed from dimitris of the Maryland 609 because I can’t find the collected seeds from that variety either but want/need it as a part of my collection.
All these varieties are extremely important to me but the N7371 really is the most important. The N7371 burley was probably the best burley I had ever grown being a massive plant for a burley and cured fantastic.
Nicotiana Project
Nicotiana Project
I keep seeing references to Nicotiana Project on this site, but when I look it up I get an expired domain. Is there a specific address that I should be typing in? Ken
edit: apparently I grew some also. I don't remember it.
2014 Knucklehead Grow Blog
A disturbing thing to imagine. Bob Yeah, I should have thought that through a little more. I started to say "manure running out of my *ss" but realized that is a fairly common problem.
Nicotiana Project never listed N7371.
Bob
Found it! It's listed in the 2019-2020 production guide, from "A cooperative effort of the University of Kentucky, the University of Tennessee, Virginia Tech, and NC State University"
Bob
Also found this:
N 7371 LC was released by Newton Seeds Inc. in 2007. Early indications are that its resistance to black shank early in the season may be fair, but preliminary tests indicate that the resistance does not hold up later in the season. However, results may vary depending on the predominant black shank race and the weather during the growing season. N 7371 LC is a late maturing variety with a high number of long but narrow leaves and is a high-yielding, good-quality variety. Topping may be slower than comparable varieties due to the smaller upright leaves in the top of the plant at topping time.
[Of course, LC (low-converter) varieties will not reliably produce low-converter in subsequent generations.]
Bob
Bob
Found it! It's listed in the 2019-2020 production guide, from "A cooperative effort of the University of Kentucky, the University of Tennessee, Virginia Tech, and NC State University"
Bob
Also found this:
N 7371 LC was released by Newton Seeds Inc. in 2007. Early indications are that its resistance to black shank early in the season may be fair, but preliminary tests indicate that the resistance does not hold up later in the season. However, results may vary depending on the predominant black shank race and the weather during the growing season. N 7371 LC is a late maturing variety with a high number of long but narrow leaves and is a high-yielding, good-quality variety. Topping may be slower than comparable varieties due to the smaller upright leaves in the top of the plant at topping time.
[Of course, LC (low-converter) varieties will not reliably produce low-converter in subsequent generations.]
Bob
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chillardbee
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Well, life sucks… and then you plant tobacco and then….
I lost some of my varieties but today is planting day and I’m probably only selecting the top 20 or 30… maybe 40.
So one thing that happened was that one tray got kind of drowned. I didn’t notice that during a rain storm that the water dropping from the roof obliterated 6 of the cells. Taking early care of them was challenging.
However, the one thing that I had pinned my hopes and dreams on was a roll of black plastic to create a barrier (mulch) in the garden which worked well in other years… but where the heck did I put it and did I even hav any left? I had enough for some other areas where I wanted to plant some sun flowers and pumpkins and that’s where I’ll be planting some of my tobacco.
So, I reckon on my agenda for this year is to get set up for next year. I’ll buy a 10’ x 100’ roll and quarter it for a 25’ x 40 area which is actually a smaller area than at the mobile home where I grew before. Also, having a better set up for a greenhouse (preferably) or cold frames is on this to do list.
Anyway, let’s see if I can salvage this situation… time to do some transplanting.
I lost some of my varieties but today is planting day and I’m probably only selecting the top 20 or 30… maybe 40.
So one thing that happened was that one tray got kind of drowned. I didn’t notice that during a rain storm that the water dropping from the roof obliterated 6 of the cells. Taking early care of them was challenging.
However, the one thing that I had pinned my hopes and dreams on was a roll of black plastic to create a barrier (mulch) in the garden which worked well in other years… but where the heck did I put it and did I even hav any left? I had enough for some other areas where I wanted to plant some sun flowers and pumpkins and that’s where I’ll be planting some of my tobacco.
So, I reckon on my agenda for this year is to get set up for next year. I’ll buy a 10’ x 100’ roll and quarter it for a 25’ x 40 area which is actually a smaller area than at the mobile home where I grew before. Also, having a better set up for a greenhouse (preferably) or cold frames is on this to do list.
Anyway, let’s see if I can salvage this situation… time to do some transplanting.
chillardbee
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Well well well, this has worked out fairly well. I planted half of the starts yesterday the other half going in today.
…is it going to amount to anything? I reckon time will tell.
So minus the ruined cells and unviable cells, I should have around 85 varieties on the go in the ground. I’m pretty eager to see how they’ll grow up here.
…is it going to amount to anything? I reckon time will tell.
So minus the ruined cells and unviable cells, I should have around 85 varieties on the go in the ground. I’m pretty eager to see how they’ll grow up here.
chillardbee
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These photos were taken July 21st. Yup, should have thinned them out in their respective planters before transplanting. In fact, there was a few things I could have and will do differently next year. However, here’s something else that had happened..,
Three weeks before these photos were taken, on July 1st (happy Canada Day), that night, it felt like winter chill on the air around 9pm when I went outside to have a smoke. By golly, that night went down to -3° Celsius (that’s like 26° Fahrenheit for my fellow Americans) and we had a hard frost. I’m surprised they even lived. All the leaf out at that point was killed but the growing shoot was protected enough. Everything you see is new growth since 3 weeks ago from the time of these photos were taken.
BUT…
We also had a hard frost on the first week of June too. Anyway, if we get a frost at the end of August (which we usually do) that means this year has had frost in every month of the year.
On another note, a while back I was looking for this roll of black poly 6mil plastic which I was originally going to use for a ground cover. I search my shop high and low but to no avail. Until a couple days ago I was getting my extractor ready to spin some honey and, there it was, a shinny new 10’x100’ roll of black poly.
Anyway, I managed to transplant a few other plants into large pots and they’re probably doing the best out of them all. I’ll take a few more pictures next week for an update.
Three weeks before these photos were taken, on July 1st (happy Canada Day), that night, it felt like winter chill on the air around 9pm when I went outside to have a smoke. By golly, that night went down to -3° Celsius (that’s like 26° Fahrenheit for my fellow Americans) and we had a hard frost. I’m surprised they even lived. All the leaf out at that point was killed but the growing shoot was protected enough. Everything you see is new growth since 3 weeks ago from the time of these photos were taken.
BUT…
We also had a hard frost on the first week of June too. Anyway, if we get a frost at the end of August (which we usually do) that means this year has had frost in every month of the year.
On another note, a while back I was looking for this roll of black poly 6mil plastic which I was originally going to use for a ground cover. I search my shop high and low but to no avail. Until a couple days ago I was getting my extractor ready to spin some honey and, there it was, a shinny new 10’x100’ roll of black poly.
Anyway, I managed to transplant a few other plants into large pots and they’re probably doing the best out of them all. I’ll take a few more pictures next week for an update.
chillardbee
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The above pictures… the reason there’s some holes or “missing” plants is because whe I transplanted the plants, there was a robin gathering worms in the morning and ripped the new transplantings out. I know I shouldn’t say this, but at least the deer haven’t found it … yet.
chillardbee
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Well, another frost hit us. Once again the plants up at the bee yard suffered greatly. Most leaf is now dead.
I made some mistakes this year but also I need to really have a green house.
Here are two photos of two plants that have survived so far and are the best. One is Maryland 609 and the other is izmar. I’ve never done container grows for tobacco before but seeing how these ones are growing I might be persuaded. The containers are 15 litre pails. I’ve used them for growing other types of plants and if you set them up right , the roots will grow through the drainage holes and into the soil underneath, that helps with getting extra moisture for the plant but it also anchors the plants in place. Anyway, I think next year I’ll do a grow like that in containers.
One of the reasons why these two plants aren’t any bigger is because they had been in the seedling pot for about 2 months before being transplanted. They were terribly root bound. But after transferring them to the pails, they started to grow much much better.
I might just bring them in so they can flower and produce seed. These two varieties, I don’t have much seed of. The reason they didn’t suffer frost damage is because they’re on the cement pad beside our cabin, lots of heat retention.
I made some mistakes this year but also I need to really have a green house.
Here are two photos of two plants that have survived so far and are the best. One is Maryland 609 and the other is izmar. I’ve never done container grows for tobacco before but seeing how these ones are growing I might be persuaded. The containers are 15 litre pails. I’ve used them for growing other types of plants and if you set them up right , the roots will grow through the drainage holes and into the soil underneath, that helps with getting extra moisture for the plant but it also anchors the plants in place. Anyway, I think next year I’ll do a grow like that in containers.
One of the reasons why these two plants aren’t any bigger is because they had been in the seedling pot for about 2 months before being transplanted. They were terribly root bound. But after transferring them to the pails, they started to grow much much better.
I might just bring them in so they can flower and produce seed. These two varieties, I don’t have much seed of. The reason they didn’t suffer frost damage is because they’re on the cement pad beside our cabin, lots of heat retention.
chillardbee
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Just an update.
The two plants above (izmar and Maryland 609) had to be brought in the house. I brought them in some time in early September. Izmar was the first to bloom and it was finished blooming by the time Maryland 609 started. I had separate Qtips to pollinate the flowers and at this point I've just finished harvesting the seeds.
The other plants that I had planted under the plastic mulch got hit by early june frost and a even harsher early july frost and stunted their growth. Also, I never thinned out the plants as i was trying for a cluster grow and the soil just isn't that great. Anyway, they never got higher than 8" before the first autumn frost killed them... a darn shame.
I did manage to collect some leaf from the two plants I brought inside which I'm going to maybe press into a pipe tobacco.
Although most of my plants amounted to nothing, this is still probably my most successful year since 2017. On that note, I might try growing the same varieties I did in that year next year just to replenish my tobacco stock ( I'm running out).
So, we're in the last part of the year and I hope you all have a good winter and a fun winter planning next years grow. Have a merry Christmas and a happy New Year. Until next year...
The two plants above (izmar and Maryland 609) had to be brought in the house. I brought them in some time in early September. Izmar was the first to bloom and it was finished blooming by the time Maryland 609 started. I had separate Qtips to pollinate the flowers and at this point I've just finished harvesting the seeds.
The other plants that I had planted under the plastic mulch got hit by early june frost and a even harsher early july frost and stunted their growth. Also, I never thinned out the plants as i was trying for a cluster grow and the soil just isn't that great. Anyway, they never got higher than 8" before the first autumn frost killed them... a darn shame.
I did manage to collect some leaf from the two plants I brought inside which I'm going to maybe press into a pipe tobacco.
Although most of my plants amounted to nothing, this is still probably my most successful year since 2017. On that note, I might try growing the same varieties I did in that year next year just to replenish my tobacco stock ( I'm running out).
So, we're in the last part of the year and I hope you all have a good winter and a fun winter planning next years grow. Have a merry Christmas and a happy New Year. Until next year...
