DGBAMA
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WOW! That's a big difference for 10 days.
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I think what's making the difference is the sunblaster t5ho lights. I read on a website where they grow other things that a higher colour temperature promotes vegetative growth and these are 6400k.
They are also full(ish) spectrum. You can grow with any light, but a full spectrum 6400k is better than one the same temperature with a limited spectrum. There's a reason people who are forced to grow indoors, especially those who grow as a business, use the stuff out of the ponics stores.
I splurged on gear . It's really easy to justify in Canada, based on local tobacco prices to spend money on this. Also, not rigging it up myself means the wife is happier leaving it on.
I
I keep the lights close, within half an inch of the tallest plant. Keep the humidity at 60. The temperature ranges from 68 at night to 90 during the day This is unintentional, as I have the temperature controller at 72, and the lights heat the enclosed space beyond that when they are on. I wonder if the temperature fluctuation has an effect.
I recommend buying local. The store i go to, the people who work there really know their stuff and have good advice.
They are also full(ish) spectrum. You can grow with any light, but a full spectrum 6400k is better than one the same temperature with a limited spectrum. There's a reason people who are forced to grow indoors, especially those who grow as a business, use the stuff out of the ponics stores.
I splurged on gear . It's really easy to justify in Canada, based on local tobacco prices to spend money on this. Also, not rigging it up myself means the wife is happier leaving it on.
I
I keep the lights close, within half an inch of the tallest plant. Keep the humidity at 60. The temperature ranges from 68 at night to 90 during the day This is unintentional, as I have the temperature controller at 72, and the lights heat the enclosed space beyond that when they are on. I wonder if the temperature fluctuation has an effect.
I recommend buying local. The store i go to, the people who work there really know their stuff and have good advice.
POGreen
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Holy Malony what a grow you got going there !
Most Impressive = I'm envious........
Most Impressive = I'm envious........
ChinaVoodoo
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Here's some photo updates of a few of my varieties, a couple weeks after a gentle haircut.
MD609
Kumanovo
Pergeu Brazil
One Sucker
Adonis
MD609
Kumanovo
Pergeu Brazil
One Sucker
Adonis
They are doing great under those new lights. Not at all leggy. What do you feed them with?
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The jiffy pellets are sitting on top of dirt. It's about 30% African worm castings, 70% of some all purpose soil mix. With a tablespoon of Gaia all purpose fertilizer p per 2quarts of dirt . It's 4-4-4 organic, bone kelp, etc, so it's slow release
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Transplant day! I would love to have just planted them in the ground, but it's well before last frost, and I'm going on vacation. Therefore, I and my friend transplanted everything into 2.6L pots which will sit in the greenhouse for three weeks or a month. They should be nice when I get back. I just built the greenhouse over the last week or so. Still need to finish the door, put in a fan and a temperature controller, otherwise good to go.
I thought I would mention something I did a while back. For identification of plants I'm using Popsicle sticks, but instead of writing names on them, I colour coded them with crayon. The results of which have been great. The colours are still totally intact and clear.
I thought I would mention something I did a while back. For identification of plants I'm using Popsicle sticks, but instead of writing names on them, I colour coded them with crayon. The results of which have been great. The colours are still totally intact and clear.
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Back from vacation 2 weeks ago. The last frost day was the day I got back. I only lost two plants. It was snowy and generally cold while I was away. Thank the Lord for the greenhouse. Been slowly working at transplanting, and so far the kumanovo, Frog Eye Orinoco and Pergeu Brazil are in the ground. Bursa is going in tomorrow. Still thinking about traditional spacing or not. Space is limited. I used a sod cutter, and cleared 250 square feet at my friends house. We should have the Harrow Velvet, MD 609, and Adonis in by Saturday. We think our friend in Fort Saskatchewan is going to take the remaining 70 plants: symbol 4, one sucker, Japan 8, and Cuban Criollo 98, hopefully next week.
Everything ranges from 8 or 9 inches to 2 feet. They were in 1gal pots. I'm fertilizing organically. I did some cheap test kits of my soil. I'm adding 70g N and K per 100 square feet, and 13g P
Everything ranges from 8 or 9 inches to 2 feet. They were in 1gal pots. I'm fertilizing organically. I did some cheap test kits of my soil. I'm adding 70g N and K per 100 square feet, and 13g P
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Here's a couple photos of my deer's tongue. It's incredibly slow growing. These were started in a saran wrapped pot on the front window on new years day. I believe the stratification requirements were met by my homes's programable thermostat, which dropped to 64 at night, and due to being by a window. I had started some later on in the fridge, and a colder window sill, but although they sprouted, they became unnecessary. They have been in the greenhouse for 6 weeks now. I plan on leaving them in pots, and bringing them in in the autumn.
Keeping them in pots seems like a good idea. My Deer Tongue has done nothing outdoors, with only a few seedlings (still quite tiny) clinging precariously to life.
It's nice to see what the plants look like when "bigger".
Bob
TheOtherOne
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Cool plants man, good luck with your grow.
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So, I believe my problem is that I started too early, but didn't transfer to the ground until recently. Some of my plants are flowering already, even though they are still small. Here's two options if like to run by y'all. Pick the flowers, and let them continue to grow, hoping that a suitable sucker near the top can be retained to continue the upper growth (removing all other suckers), or should I just pick the flowers and all the suckers and see what happens. The offenders are mostly the cigar tobaccos. Maybe a quarter of them.
I've tried that in the past. While you can gain another couple of feet in height, the leaves that the new sucker puts on will be small leaves and maturity seemed unnaturally delayed. I didn't think it was worth the trouble. My plants this year are flowering early and I just topped them and have been pulling suckers. I'll just let nature run it's course.
I agree that this approach is the best path to large, rich leaf. The leaf count will be down, but the quality up.
Bob
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Thank you for the advice, guys.
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This is the difference between Bursa grown in a greenhouse vs not.
ChinaVoodoo
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Re. The difference between greenhouse tobacco and non greenhouse tobacco.
I don't know if you can see in the photos. The greenhouse grown Bursa is up to 41" tall with up to 12" leaves, while the other is 20" tall with 6" leaves.
DGBAMA
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Soil, moisture, fertilizer, temperature difference between in our out of the greenhouse?
Going back to the Sucker growth, I would top and harvest as normal, to get the best possible leaf. Then cut about 6" above ground level the main stalk. Many will then sprout a "ground level" Sucker which will grow into a new plant, although normally smaller than the original..... Get your quality leaf first, then hope for the best on the Sucker crop, nothing to lose.
Going back to the Sucker growth, I would top and harvest as normal, to get the best possible leaf. Then cut about 6" above ground level the main stalk. Many will then sprout a "ground level" Sucker which will grow into a new plant, although normally smaller than the original..... Get your quality leaf first, then hope for the best on the Sucker crop, nothing to lose.
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The soil is different. The greenhouse soil has more clay, while the non greenhouse soil has more peat moss and compost. The fertilizer is the same. 5-1-5 organic fertilizer at a rate of 80lbs nitrogen per acre. The greenhouse gets 10 minutes of water from a soaker hose every morning, while I bless the other plants with rain, and supplement with house water if needed. The non greenhouse plants get about 13 hours of direct sunlight, while the greenhouse gets about 10.
I believe that although there are many differences, the most important one is temperature.
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