BarG
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The tropical storms seem to dump more rain than some hurricanes. Bonner, quit drawing rain turtles.
deluxestogie Grow Log 2017
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BarG
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Its hard to beat the Doors,( Riders on the storm) , but you had a you tube lol.
BarG
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I hope all fares well there Larry. It must be hard for to manage that acreage. I just been clearing mine and working on drainage.
Hey Bob, Fantastic grow again I see. you are doing it again.
9.5 Minute Video Tour of My Tobacco Beds
It took me another 45 minutes to once again figure out how to process the video, and upload it to youtube. Plus, as an added bonus, you get to hear me speaking through my new, fake teeth. Real tobacco; fake teeth.
Bob
It took me another 45 minutes to once again figure out how to process the video, and upload it to youtube. Plus, as an added bonus, you get to hear me speaking through my new, fake teeth. Real tobacco; fake teeth.
Bob
greenmonster714
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Great video Bob.
I Like the video .
My pear trees had no pears last year and there will be no pears again this year except for my sweet pear tree that ripens the last part of August . These are mostly for eating and we can't seem to can them because they get too soft .
Now why don't you have a bee hive or two ?
Cindy dropped a lot of water , She tore up my farm roads and washed some of my fields . Flooded the road going to my sons farm . My son has looked at my tobacco over there and said it does not look too bad , His opinion . Hope the sun does not come out hot and scald my tobacco . .
I have heard of some farmers who lost parts of their crops ., So I guess I am lucky .
My pear trees had no pears last year and there will be no pears again this year except for my sweet pear tree that ripens the last part of August . These are mostly for eating and we can't seem to can them because they get too soft .
Now why don't you have a bee hive or two ?
Cindy dropped a lot of water , She tore up my farm roads and washed some of my fields . Flooded the road going to my sons farm . My son has looked at my tobacco over there and said it does not look too bad , His opinion . Hope the sun does not come out hot and scald my tobacco . .
I have heard of some farmers who lost parts of their crops ., So I guess I am lucky .
Larry, good to hear you didn't get slammed too badly.
The good news about bee hives--actually genuinely excellent news--is that a neighbor who lives 100 yards away keeps a sizable apiary. I get the bees; he gets the work and the stings.
Most commonly, my pears have blossomed just before a late frost. I need for both of my trees to blossom (without freezing), in order to get pears. (Plus, a massive crop, like I have this year, should be drastically thinned, in order to not suppress fruit set the following year. But I can't bring myself to pluck away all those baby pears.) I have an apricot tree (self-fertile) that has consistently blossomed just before a late frost, and I've never seen a single apricot from it. I have a dwarf Northstar cherry tree that gets grazed by the deer, and picked clean by the birds. This year, I netted part of it, and was able to harvest 3 cherries--a first! They were delicious.
Thanks for the kind words on the video, GreenMonster and Larry (and bex, who commented on the youtube page--sneaky). When I'm asked how much tobacco I grow, I can just say, "Nine and a half minutes of it."
Bob
The good news about bee hives--actually genuinely excellent news--is that a neighbor who lives 100 yards away keeps a sizable apiary. I get the bees; he gets the work and the stings.
Most commonly, my pears have blossomed just before a late frost. I need for both of my trees to blossom (without freezing), in order to get pears. (Plus, a massive crop, like I have this year, should be drastically thinned, in order to not suppress fruit set the following year. But I can't bring myself to pluck away all those baby pears.) I have an apricot tree (self-fertile) that has consistently blossomed just before a late frost, and I've never seen a single apricot from it. I have a dwarf Northstar cherry tree that gets grazed by the deer, and picked clean by the birds. This year, I netted part of it, and was able to harvest 3 cherries--a first! They were delicious.
Thanks for the kind words on the video, GreenMonster and Larry (and bex, who commented on the youtube page--sneaky). When I'm asked how much tobacco I grow, I can just say, "Nine and a half minutes of it."
Bob
Brown Thumb
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I wish you the best. BB
DistillingJim
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Very nice. Also nice to put a voice to the text.
Sunset.
Bob
greenmonster714
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Virginia is one of this countries many beautiful states. That is a nice capture Bob. Early evening is one of my favorite times of the day.
Gmac
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BarG
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Thats great Larry , you didn't get hammered any worse, we are expecting ours this week. I have been clearing and burning trying to beat the rains (a fine line when everything is saturated) and then the burn bans to follow with high summer near.
mwaller
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Thanks for the video, Bob!
The Piloto Cubano indeed appears to be doing well. I'm excited to know how that turns out for you.
Do you know the heritage of Piloto? Was it developed from Cuban Corojo or Criollo types?
The Piloto Cubano indeed appears to be doing well. I'm excited to know how that turns out for you.
Do you know the heritage of Piloto? Was it developed from Cuban Corojo or Criollo types?
The derivation of Cuban cigar leaf is murky. As recently as the early 20th century, all Cuban growers obtained their transplants from nurseries that paid little attention to seed purity and varietal differences. So every tobacco finca would end up with a mix of open-pollinated plants. Although growers recognized "good" plants when they matured, they simply sorted the tobacco leaf appropriately. (The genetics research of Mendel didn't really catch on until the early 20th century.)
ARS-GRIN obtained a number of seed accessions from the Vuelta Abajo in the first two decades of the 20th century. Each one is different. The "Vuelta Abajo" tobacco that I grow (the same one that BigBonner and Jitterbugdude grow) is an excellent one--a lucky selection. During the 1930s and 1940s individual growers developed their best selections, a famous one being developed on the Corojo plantation. Criollo was developed, I believe, in the 1950s, but I don't know its relationship (if any) to Corojo. Subsequent, numbered Corojo and Criollo varieties were developed in response to disease issues.
With the communist takeover of the industries in Cuba, and the smuggling of "Cuban" seed to Central America, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic, additional names proliferated. "Habano" leaf from Honduras and Nicaragua is, so far as I know, either Corojo or Criollo, since that was nearly all that was being grown in Cuba at the time. Judging entirely from the taste of the tobacco, I would guess that most Honduran Habano tobacco is Corojo.
Piloto Cubano was some Cuban seed variety (I don't know which) that was smuggled initially into the Dominican Republic. The taste of commercial Piloto Cubano is clearly different from either Corojo or Criollo, so heaven knows what it started out as. The Piloto Cubano that I am growing came from Puerto Rico.
And, I'm growing a Corojo from Honduras, and Corojo 99 from the Robaina plantation in the Vuelta Abajo.
The Corojo 99, Coroja (Cuban) and Criollo (Cuban) that I grew last year definitely differed from each other, and are different from the Vuelta Abajo. Based on the current appearance of the Piloto Cubano, it is yet a different leaf.
So, now that distinct varieties are properly bagged for self-pollination, maintaining their genetic purity, the obvious genetic drift of Cuban tobacco is surely a thing of the past.
Whew!
Bob
ARS-GRIN obtained a number of seed accessions from the Vuelta Abajo in the first two decades of the 20th century. Each one is different. The "Vuelta Abajo" tobacco that I grow (the same one that BigBonner and Jitterbugdude grow) is an excellent one--a lucky selection. During the 1930s and 1940s individual growers developed their best selections, a famous one being developed on the Corojo plantation. Criollo was developed, I believe, in the 1950s, but I don't know its relationship (if any) to Corojo. Subsequent, numbered Corojo and Criollo varieties were developed in response to disease issues.
With the communist takeover of the industries in Cuba, and the smuggling of "Cuban" seed to Central America, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic, additional names proliferated. "Habano" leaf from Honduras and Nicaragua is, so far as I know, either Corojo or Criollo, since that was nearly all that was being grown in Cuba at the time. Judging entirely from the taste of the tobacco, I would guess that most Honduran Habano tobacco is Corojo.
Piloto Cubano was some Cuban seed variety (I don't know which) that was smuggled initially into the Dominican Republic. The taste of commercial Piloto Cubano is clearly different from either Corojo or Criollo, so heaven knows what it started out as. The Piloto Cubano that I am growing came from Puerto Rico.
And, I'm growing a Corojo from Honduras, and Corojo 99 from the Robaina plantation in the Vuelta Abajo.
The Corojo 99, Coroja (Cuban) and Criollo (Cuban) that I grew last year definitely differed from each other, and are different from the Vuelta Abajo. Based on the current appearance of the Piloto Cubano, it is yet a different leaf.
So, now that distinct varieties are properly bagged for self-pollination, maintaining their genetic purity, the obvious genetic drift of Cuban tobacco is surely a thing of the past.
Whew!
Bob
mwaller
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Thanks for the explanation, Bob!
I'm growing Vuelta Abajo from NWTseeds. Is this a different variety from your Vuelta Abajo?
I'm growing Vuelta Abajo from NWTseeds. Is this a different variety from your Vuelta Abajo?
mwaller
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Skychaser confirmed - it is the same variety of Vuelta Abajo.
It's the final day of June. The bad news is that I still have about 30 stalks and 10 strings of tobacco hanging in the shed from 2016. I probably have another 2 or 3 weeks before some of this year's lugs will start coming in.
In the image below, I tried to capture what I think is a lucid comparison of two classic tobacco plant types: Spanish type, from Mexico and Cuba, and Orinoco type, from Venezuela.
The Orinoco type is the parent of most (maybe all) of today's flue-cure varieties.
Virginia Bright Leaf is a classic shape for Orinoco type tobaccos.
Spanish type tobacco is the ancestor of many Caribbean and Central American cigar tobaccos.
The prototypical shape of Spanish type tobaccos.
Definitely Spanish type.
Spanish again.
Machu Picchu Havana, which I'm not growing this season, likely came to Peru from Cuba at the very end of the 19th century, so might be considered one example of the "pot luck" Spanish types growing in the Vuelta Abajo region at that time.
Oriental and Indonesian tobaccos are distinctly different in general shape from the Spanish and Orinoco types.
An Indonesian/Turkish cross.
Bob
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