'Oil of Havana' 1883 and other age old recipes...

[ArizonaDave]

So do you opt out on Valerian root extract?

No, I don't opt out, I just gave another option or direction you can go. Gdaddy has a great blend, as I can attest to (I've sampled his). We both just went in different directions. Both are good.

 

[Sirius]

No, I don't opt out, I just gave another option or direction you can go. Gdaddy has a great blend, as I can attest to (I've sampled his). We both just went in different directions. Both are good.

I'll have to check it out, thanks!

 

[Gdaddy]

Could you put the whole process together? seems like you've combined two different mixtures which is pretty confusing. What do you do now since it has been about 3 years after making the original post?

Since the past three years I have worked hard on a completely different direction. I believe this following recipe has yielded the best end result. It adds NO detectable flavor to the cigar. The end result is a smooth tobacco flavor.

I use Bentleys book as reference. I use on page 11... his #1 flavor for Havana. My first attempts at this recipe failed because I didn't get the solution correct. I took much more care and effort this time around.

If you decide to try this recipe contact me so I can give you the simple components and how to proceed. You MUST follow his method perfectly for good results. I have it broken down into simple, accurate measurements now.

BTW... the green coffee helps to lower the PH much like citric acid. (it doesn't taste or smell like coffee when it's green)

Take a look...

https://archive.org/stream/bentleysacmeflav00bent#page/10

 

[Charly]

Since the past three years I have worked hard on a completely different direction. I believe this following recipe has yielded the best end result. It adds NO detectable flavor to the cigar. The end result is a smooth tobacco flavor.

I use Bentleys book as reference. I use on page 11... his #1 flavor for Havana. My first attempts at this recipe failed because I didn't get the solution correct. I took much more care and effort this time around.

If you decide to try this recipe contact me so I can give you the simple components and how to proceed. You MUST follow his method perfectly for good results. I have it broken down into simple, accurate measurements now.

Thanks you for the link to the book !
(you say you worked on another direction, what was this ? it did not suit your expectations ? Tell us more !!)

I am really interested in your method, could you share with us those "simple compononents and how to proceed" ?
Do you use only the green coffee beans ? or do you prepare the whole recept n°1 ?

BTW... the green coffee helps to lower the PH much like citric acid. (it doesn't taste or smell like coffee when it's green)

So could we replace the green coffee by just some citric acid ? did you try it ?
(BTW, I did not find citric acid in stores.... ... so I wondered : could I simply use fresh lemon pressed juice ?)

What is the use of the "nitrate of potash" in this recept ?

 

[Gdaddy]

Thanks you for the link to the book !
(you say you worked on another direction, what was this ? it did not suit your expectations ? Tell us more !!)

I am really interested in your method, could you share with us those "simple compononents and how to proceed" ?
Do you use only the green coffee beans ? or do you prepare the whole recept n°1 ?


So could we replace the green coffee by just some citric acid ? did you try it ?
(BTW, I did not find citric acid in stores.... ... so I wondered : could I simply use fresh lemon pressed juice ?)

What is the use of the "nitrate of potash" in this recept ?

The failures I've had in the past were because I didn't follow the recipe exactly. If you were to use lemon juice and leave out the potash it becomes a different recipe altogether.

The green coffee is near impossible to grind fine enough. I bought green coffee powder and had it delivered to my door step already ground perfectly It made a nice rich mixture. My previous efforts were much too weak.

They have citric acid in Walmart and most other stores in the canning section.

Potash is a salt used mostly for combustion.

Hope this helps!

 

[Gdaddy]

Thanks you for the link to the book !
(you say you worked on another direction, what was this ? it did not suit your expectations ? Tell us more !!)

I am really interested in your method, could you share with us those "simple compononents and how to proceed" ?
Do you use only the green coffee beans ? or do you prepare the whole recept n°1 ?


So could we replace the green coffee by just some citric acid ? did you try it ?
(BTW, I did not find citric acid in stores.... ... so I wondered : could I simply use fresh lemon pressed juice ?)

What is the use of the "nitrate of potash" in this recept ?

Green coffee powder... (you can NOT grind your own green coffee beans)
https://www.amazon.com/BulkSupplements-Green-Coffee-Powder-grams/dp/B00PBHHARI?th=1

Here's the easy measurement system. I did all the weights on a digital scale exactly to Bentley.

Green coffee powder... 6 tablespoons =1 oz.
Water.. one pint in a finished solution (as it boils you will need to add more)
Glycerin.. 1 1/4 Teaspoon
Potash... 1/4 Teaspoon.

I decided to leave out the almond extract. It was optional anyway.

Before you make changes I suggest you try it just like it is.

Put the mixed solution in a spray bottle and spray down both sides of the leaf. Don't saturated them but they should be fairly wet with solution. I use a large oil pan to lay out the leaves side by side. The leaves should be on the dry side to absorb the mixture. Stack the dampened leaves in a container and let the solution soak in for two days. Take them out and let them air dry on a table and bring them back to proper case for rolling.

Good luck!

 

[Charly]

Thank you Gdaddy,

I will definitely try this recipe when I find a little bit of time.

 

[BlazedUp]

Very interesting info here. Any updates on this process? Does this have any effect on how the cigars age?
Would like to try this myself.

 

[waikikigun]

Very interesting info here. Any updates on this process? Does this have any effect on how the cigars age?
Would like to try this myself.

My update is that I abandoned all efforts at improving things by adding non-tobacco things to my cigar. The odds of ruining things were much higher than the odds of improving things. If the cigar was not good then it was down to the quality of the tobacco in the cigar, not down to a lack of additives. This fact can be obfuscated by the fact that we know that there are zillions of "casings" used in tobacco products. But my empirical reality, after 2 years of experimentation, is that it's much easier to find leaf that doesn't suck than it is to make leaf that sucks smokeable by adding things to it.

 

[BlazedUp]

Good point. I’ve been rolling for two weeks now and am happy that I can produce a good drawing and respectable looking cigar. I’ve learned a ton from watching your rolling videos. I’m also impressed with the quality of tobacco from WLT.

 

[Propsjonnyb]

Similar “flavour” mixtures have been around for at least 100 years , my grandfather used a variety of them in his shop to provide for customer needs . The glycerine additive was used to fix the flavour into the leaves as the spray evaporated , but he also steamed batches as well in his workshop using similar ingredients

 

[dante11]

Green coffee powder... (you can NOT grind your own green coffee beans)
https://www.amazon.com/BulkSupplements-Green-Coffee-Powder-grams/dp/B00PBHHARI?th=1

Here's the easy measurement system. I did all the weights on a digital scale exactly to Bentley.

Green coffee powder... 6 tablespoons =1 oz.
Water.. one pint in a finished solution (as it boils you will need to add more)
Glycerin.. 1 1/4 Teaspoon
Potash... 1/4 Teaspoon.

I decided to leave out the almond extract. It was optional anyway.

Before you make changes I suggest you try it just like it is.

Put the mixed solution in a spray bottle and spray down both sides of the leaf. Don't saturated them but they should be fairly wet with solution. I use a large oil pan to lay out the leaves side by side. The leaves should be on the dry side to absorb the mixture. Stack the dampened leaves in a container and let the solution soak in for two days. Take them out and let them air dry on a table and bring them back to proper case for rolling.

Good luck!

any idea where to get potash?

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

any idea where to get potash?

Fertilizer store.

 

[deluxestogie]

You can make your own potash from hardwood or bark ash. It's easy, but tedious and time consuming. Search Google for how to make it.

Bob