ChinaVoodoo
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Good job weeding those out, Bob. I'm sure it was a lot of work.
Deluxestogie Grow Log 2020
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ChinaVoodoo
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So what are the details? ~180cm, petiolate, pink flowers, columnar, leaves ~45-60cm?
Ainaro
Plant length (not finished growing): 135 cm / 53 in
Leaf length (10th leaf): 56 cm / 22 in
Leaf width (10th leaf): 33 cm / 13 in
Plant form columnar
Leaf attachment petiolate
Leaf carriage of midrib arched
Leaf color light green
Leaf margin not wavy
Leaf angle 45°
Leaf margin not recurved
Leaf surface smooth
Stalk diameter 2.5 cm / 1 in
Tip shape acuminate
Venation pattern angular
Days at maturity: not yet determined
Flower color: not yet determined
Flower head habit: not yet determined
Bob
Plant length (not finished growing): 135 cm / 53 in
Leaf length (10th leaf): 56 cm / 22 in
Leaf width (10th leaf): 33 cm / 13 in
Plant form columnar
Leaf attachment petiolate
Leaf carriage of midrib arched
Leaf color light green
Leaf margin not wavy
Leaf angle 45°
Leaf margin not recurved
Leaf surface smooth
Stalk diameter 2.5 cm / 1 in
Tip shape acuminate
Venation pattern angular
Days at maturity: not yet determined
Flower color: not yet determined
Flower head habit: not yet determined
Bob
ChinaVoodoo
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What about Bursa? Or is Bursa related to Samsun?
From what @istanbulin said, Bursa is a semi-Oriental. Looking at ARS-GRIN, there are two "Bursa" accessions that resemble the Bursa you and I have seen.
PI 494150, Nicotiana tabacum L., TI 1668
PI 481863, Nicotiana tabacum L., 'Bursa', TI 1650
Neither displays a pedigree. Both came from the city of Bursa, and are probably the same variety. The original accession page is available for both of them, but provides no additional information.
So, Bursa is either a semi-Oriental, as @istanbulin suggested, or a regional variant of the Samsun family.
But the story on Ainaro is that the general area of Timor-Leste was planted with pretty much one variety that resembles Viqueque and Liquiça, but that @Tutu discovered this growing in a tiny tobacco patch alongside a humble, rural home. The folks there could not tell him anything about it. So I'm guessing it has just been percolating at that spot, all alone, for a long time. I would be surprised if somehow this subsistence farmer ordered some specific, Oriental seed.
But it's all a guess.
Bob
PI 494150, Nicotiana tabacum L., TI 1668
PI 481863, Nicotiana tabacum L., 'Bursa', TI 1650
Neither displays a pedigree. Both came from the city of Bursa, and are probably the same variety. The original accession page is available for both of them, but provides no additional information.
So, Bursa is either a semi-Oriental, as @istanbulin suggested, or a regional variant of the Samsun family.
But the story on Ainaro is that the general area of Timor-Leste was planted with pretty much one variety that resembles Viqueque and Liquiça, but that @Tutu discovered this growing in a tiny tobacco patch alongside a humble, rural home. The folks there could not tell him anything about it. So I'm guessing it has just been percolating at that spot, all alone, for a long time. I would be surprised if somehow this subsistence farmer ordered some specific, Oriental seed.
But it's all a guess.
Bob
If you look at the leaf images for both of these on GRIN, you will note how both of these are more spade-like than the Ainaro, which has a fairly blunt leaf base.
Bob
EDIT: The two examples of Bursa also show a rather generous auricle, which Ainaro entirely lacks.
Bob
EDIT: The two examples of Bursa also show a rather generous auricle, which Ainaro entirely lacks.
ChinaVoodoo
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If all I had to look at was the leaf, I would hazard that it is rustica.
Motihari
Motihari
The blossoms know. By hook or crook, I'll see blossoms from Ainaro this year. Also, I don't recall the seed being unusually large. N. tabacum seed averages about 500 microns, while N. rustica seed averages about 1000 microns.
Bob
EDIT: Also, Ainaro doesn't stink.
Bob
EDIT: Also, Ainaro doesn't stink.
Tutu
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Definitely tabacum, as I saw pink flowers collecting the Ainaro! You can find those pictures in the Timor Leste thread!
ChinaVoodoo
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I have tons of Viqueque seed.
Tutu
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Did only send the seeds to the two of you, not to ARS-GRIN. And as you may know, mine do not germinate. Would love to receive seeds from you guys after you have collected some! I am travelling in CT and PA now btw!
Mis semillas son sus semillas. I will aim for seed from Ainaro and Liquiça.
Bob
Bob
Tutu
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Well that is very generous! And you can send them to a CT address which will probably make it less complicated than getting them into the DR. Good luck with the remainder of your season!
ChinaVoodoo
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PM me the CT address please
ChinaVoodoo
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Are those photos of Rindi?
Bob
Bob
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