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Yeah KH that does sound a bit similar. How did you like that? Was it also leathery/spicy/peppery medium-strong?
I need some new blends
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Yeah KH that does sound a bit similar. How did you like that? Was it also leathery/spicy/peppery medium-strong?
Yes. Medium strong with probably a little nuttier flavor than the one you posted.
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Just finished my first blend from the tobacco samples from Don. Wrapper is corojo oscuro, binder is Pa oscuro, filler is San Vincente seco, Piloto Cubano viso and ligero, and Nicuragua Habano ligero.
I let one dry so I could smoke it right away. The first third had a nice peppery twang on the retrohale, the second third got milder, then the last third that I took to the nub built up a bit more strength. The cigar burned nice and even, and held a nice ash. I am going to stick with the same wrapper and binder for the next few sets that I roll, but I will change up the filler with some Criollo 98 ligero and some Nic. Habano, corojo and flojo viso. Not sure of what combination I want to use yet. I really like the Piloto Cubano, so I may keep both of them in the blend.
Wish I had some Mata fina left to add, but that is gone, so is my Aleman, which I really liked as well. I find, at least to my taste, that the corojo is a bit dry in flavor, so I like combining the Pa oscuro, which has a cocoa spice sweetness, along with it. I am a fan of Connecticut broadleaf, so I would love to have some of that for the blend, but I don't believe any is available. Sometimes Ct. and Pa. broadleaf can give you that rich barnyard, composty smell that I personally like and think adds an old school, cuban -type component to the mix, however that type of tobacco seems hard to find. Any suggestions about my blends, feel free to advise.
I let one dry so I could smoke it right away. The first third had a nice peppery twang on the retrohale, the second third got milder, then the last third that I took to the nub built up a bit more strength. The cigar burned nice and even, and held a nice ash. I am going to stick with the same wrapper and binder for the next few sets that I roll, but I will change up the filler with some Criollo 98 ligero and some Nic. Habano, corojo and flojo viso. Not sure of what combination I want to use yet. I really like the Piloto Cubano, so I may keep both of them in the blend.
Wish I had some Mata fina left to add, but that is gone, so is my Aleman, which I really liked as well. I find, at least to my taste, that the corojo is a bit dry in flavor, so I like combining the Pa oscuro, which has a cocoa spice sweetness, along with it. I am a fan of Connecticut broadleaf, so I would love to have some of that for the blend, but I don't believe any is available. Sometimes Ct. and Pa. broadleaf can give you that rich barnyard, composty smell that I personally like and think adds an old school, cuban -type component to the mix, however that type of tobacco seems hard to find. Any suggestions about my blends, feel free to advise.
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Rolled four of the new blend. Let them sit three days. Sparked one this afternoon. Wish I had better news to report. My new blend is a bust.
Nick seco
San V Seco
Dom binder
Corojo wrapper
First off, the Dominican wrapper is freaking huge. I am used to binding with the inner crescent cutout left over when the outer edge of a half leaf of Habano 2000 is cut off to make a wrapper. I get a wrapper and a binder from the same half of a leaf; so two wrapper, two binders, each leaf. But a single Dom binder leaf is both larger and very much thicker than a Habano leaf. Just felt like I was way overdoing the binder.
But you want to talk about thick, how bout that Corojo wrapper! Between the new binder and wrapper, I had trouble getting the heads firm. I'm not sure why. Just could not get that thick wrapper to conform. Oddly, no prob getting it to shape round the transition from pointy to barrel; nor round the rounded barrel, which came out a bit swelled up by the thick binder; but only at the head, which should be the easy part, you would think.
But say I were to overcome these construction problems... What then?
Flavor was marvellous. Very similar to those Smithdale Perfecto Maduros which I like so much; but thicker smoke, more chocolate, more gravamen. Rich. Meaty. That's not where the prob is. It's the stonk. The aroma just stonk the experience up. Had one of those stinks that makes you know you'll have to change the drapes if you bring it inside. Even in the garage, I had to open both doors. Tastes great, smells bad. I have a glass jar I stick my nubs in, cause I don't want to thrpow a nub in the trash not knowing it's dead out. Every couple weeks I empty that glass jar. When I do, it smells like this. Uck.
I dunno. I still have three. I'll give them another week and try one again. But I think this is a loser.
Especially when you consider that Don wants to use these blends for his blend packages. It's newbs who are the target market for these packages, for the most part. What you don't want to do is send Jim Newby a blend package to try his hand at rolling where the first time he lights one up The One Who Must Be Obeyed is gonna put her foot down: "Jim, it's me or those damn cigars!"
I'll try something else.
Nick seco
San V Seco
Dom binder
Corojo wrapper
First off, the Dominican wrapper is freaking huge. I am used to binding with the inner crescent cutout left over when the outer edge of a half leaf of Habano 2000 is cut off to make a wrapper. I get a wrapper and a binder from the same half of a leaf; so two wrapper, two binders, each leaf. But a single Dom binder leaf is both larger and very much thicker than a Habano leaf. Just felt like I was way overdoing the binder.
But you want to talk about thick, how bout that Corojo wrapper! Between the new binder and wrapper, I had trouble getting the heads firm. I'm not sure why. Just could not get that thick wrapper to conform. Oddly, no prob getting it to shape round the transition from pointy to barrel; nor round the rounded barrel, which came out a bit swelled up by the thick binder; but only at the head, which should be the easy part, you would think.
But say I were to overcome these construction problems... What then?
Flavor was marvellous. Very similar to those Smithdale Perfecto Maduros which I like so much; but thicker smoke, more chocolate, more gravamen. Rich. Meaty. That's not where the prob is. It's the stonk. The aroma just stonk the experience up. Had one of those stinks that makes you know you'll have to change the drapes if you bring it inside. Even in the garage, I had to open both doors. Tastes great, smells bad. I have a glass jar I stick my nubs in, cause I don't want to thrpow a nub in the trash not knowing it's dead out. Every couple weeks I empty that glass jar. When I do, it smells like this. Uck.
I dunno. I still have three. I'll give them another week and try one again. But I think this is a loser.
Especially when you consider that Don wants to use these blends for his blend packages. It's newbs who are the target market for these packages, for the most part. What you don't want to do is send Jim Newby a blend package to try his hand at rolling where the first time he lights one up The One Who Must Be Obeyed is gonna put her foot down: "Jim, it's me or those damn cigars!"
I'll try something else.
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Yeah that's a thick wrapper. I had to modify my head-cap rolling technique a little bit to adapt to it, strangely even more so than with some PA oscuro I've used that was also really thick.
I wonder what messed up the smell. The Nic seco? My #4 blend above had the best after-aroma of anything I've rolled. I smoked some of it in my apartment and later when I was walking around in there I thought, This smells like a cigar shop. That's one checked box on the noob checklist.
I run my butts under the faucet for a few seconds then chuck'em in the trash.
I wonder what messed up the smell. The Nic seco? My #4 blend above had the best after-aroma of anything I've rolled. I smoked some of it in my apartment and later when I was walking around in there I thought, This smells like a cigar shop. That's one checked box on the noob checklist.
I run my butts under the faucet for a few seconds then chuck'em in the trash.
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I haven't tried a double Corojo Oscuro yet. Real similar to my go to cigar:
W- Corojo Oscuro
B- Dominican
F- ½ Criollo Viso
½ Nic. Habano Viso
Really like this cigar! I'll roll some with a Double Oscuro or like SmokinHarley does with one leaf Corojo viso, see if that does the trick.
I have a couple of testers to smoke tonight in the pool. Same blend, but with 1 Piloto Liguero, and another with Criollo Liguero. Also have a couple drying with Ct. Broadleaf binder and San Andrea's wrapper (that Charlie G. so nicely sent me), to see if that ups + the chocolate taste.
Who knows? I may end up back with your blend with going down to Nic Seco.
I'll start a new thread for suggestions for tobaccos you'd like to see in the WLT line-up. If you make a suggestion, you are not obligated to buy it.
I think I discovered the reason for these units' stinkage. Apparently, an upper molar on my port side has cracked a root. There's zero pain, cause this unit underwent root canal some time ago. However, sanguineous purulent exudate periodically roaches my flavor buds all to hell. So there's every chance I was not smelling the best of the stogie; I was smelling the worst of me. Recognized its mephitic effect this afternoon, en route to Mexican lunch, when Bearswatter had to open the car window to tolerate me.
Gotta go visit that pliers wielding rascal who sports a white coat and lives an extravagant lifestyle at my expense. Not my favorite errand.
foowee
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Give this one a try
2 criollo 98 seco
2 criollo 98 viso
2 pcs (Piloto Cubano Seco)
Bezuki double binder
corojo or aleman wrapper
I rolled this pearl on accident (had a bit to much wild turkey while rolling) and I've spent the last two weeks trying to rediscover what the blend is, I've narrowed it down to this. It was by far one of the best cigars I've ever had. I rolled a few cigars with this blend tonight and I will smoke it tomorrow.
On a side note, Don, will you be getting anymore aleman leaf? That stuff is delicious.
Best,
Jason
2 criollo 98 seco
2 criollo 98 viso
2 pcs (Piloto Cubano Seco)
Bezuki double binder
corojo or aleman wrapper
I rolled this pearl on accident (had a bit to much wild turkey while rolling) and I've spent the last two weeks trying to rediscover what the blend is, I've narrowed it down to this. It was by far one of the best cigars I've ever had. I rolled a few cigars with this blend tonight and I will smoke it tomorrow.
On a side note, Don, will you be getting anymore aleman leaf? That stuff is delicious.
Best,
Jason
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Sorry to be an epic noob, but what is 2 pcs? Normally I'd guess "2 pieces." But that doesn't seem to fit here.
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Piloto cubano seco. No worries, that might be something only I do.
Jason
Jason
Your probably not the only one who does it.... but I was confused also... (not hard to do mind ya).
Thanks for the clarification.
Smokin Harley
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Im going to take a guess and say it could be Piloto Cubano Seco???
Soory, All Aleman tobacco is gone, but I'll keep trying to find more.
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Oh, okay. "PCS." Right on.
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Don,
Don't waste your time with that blend I suggested yesterday. To my disappointment, it wasn't all that.
Jason
Don't waste your time with that blend I suggested yesterday. To my disappointment, it wasn't all that.
Jason
Don, how'd you make out with this experiment? Get any new blends out of it? What are they?
I was determined to find some kinda use for the new Sav V Seco. Read some blurb that basically said it was not flavorful in itself, but would mellow out a stronger flavor, and that it would help the burn. But I have not yet found a combo which did not gack me out. I even tried a San V onlky stick, just to get a baseline. Hated it. Maybe it's just me. Maybe it's my toof, which gets pulled next week. Has anyone else found a good blend featuring the new San Vicente? Willing to send me one?
The criollo oscuro wrapper is a winner. Strong and tasty. Real convenient for making quickies, cause I can pull the edge out flat and stretch it tight enough without dampening it. My customary habano wrapper will not do that, given my present skill level. It's too crinkled to pull the edge out without a thorough dampening, and it's too thin to stretch hard without tearing. Now, being thicker, it doesn't burn as well as the habano. But it sure retains a nice oily appearance when you don't have to damp the heck out of it. I was hoping the San V would help cure that. Not if I can't stand the gack of it.
I'm still trying. But I'm losing hope that San V can be the leaf for me.
Who's had what success?
I was determined to find some kinda use for the new Sav V Seco. Read some blurb that basically said it was not flavorful in itself, but would mellow out a stronger flavor, and that it would help the burn. But I have not yet found a combo which did not gack me out. I even tried a San V onlky stick, just to get a baseline. Hated it. Maybe it's just me. Maybe it's my toof, which gets pulled next week. Has anyone else found a good blend featuring the new San Vicente? Willing to send me one?
The criollo oscuro wrapper is a winner. Strong and tasty. Real convenient for making quickies, cause I can pull the edge out flat and stretch it tight enough without dampening it. My customary habano wrapper will not do that, given my present skill level. It's too crinkled to pull the edge out without a thorough dampening, and it's too thin to stretch hard without tearing. Now, being thicker, it doesn't burn as well as the habano. But it sure retains a nice oily appearance when you don't have to damp the heck out of it. I was hoping the San V would help cure that. Not if I can't stand the gack of it.
I'm still trying. But I'm losing hope that San V can be the leaf for me.
Who's had what success?
The San Vicente has a mild bitterness to it. I find it an excellent condiment filler, in a proportion of 25% or less.
Bob
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Here's all the WLT page says:
"San Vicente tobacco is mild in flavor and is used in a blend to allow more exotic tobacco flavors to be showcased without over-powering the blend. The Seco is a very thin leaf and will aid in combustability in any blend." (sic)
So that's my prob. I was using SV 75%, instead of 25%. I have criollo, corojo, habano, piloto, even a touch of mata. Which of these you think I ought to blend with a half leaf of SV?
... or I could just send it to you..
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