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yes, that is the nicotine and flavor you want back in the finished tobacco.
If you think it could be darker ,just wait. Once you press it and it sits a day or so ,it will get a little darker. I found that out pressing simply color cured Va . Went in the press kind of a peanut butter brown , came out more like a light cocoa. It will need additional drying after pressing to keep mold from forming.
 

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This was a great thread ... thanks! I tried out the pressure cooker method on some Red FCV and it's fantastic:

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My impression is that if juice squeezes out during pressing, then the leaf should be dried more, prior to pressing. Whichever way you do it, be sure to dry-down the press cake or the final shred so that it's drier feeling than commercial black Cavendish. The commercial stuff always feels squishy, because of added casing. But your Cavendish will mold if it feels like that.

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Well here it is, I did it!
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Success! Thanks to all who have contributed to developing this method. This is great.

Here's what I did today:
- 3 small-ish leaves destemmed, shredded into large shreds and gently stuffed into pint jar. Next time, no shredding, just stuffing.
- 2 tbsp water added to crispy dry tobacco. This was too much water. Next time, 1 tbsp.
- 15 psi for 3 hours
- squashed between 2 pieces of wood in the bench vise for 3 hours. 1 tbsp juice squeezed out.
- sliced, but couldn't be rubbed out. Too wet. I had to fork it out with a couple forks. Then I dressed it with the 1 tbsp of tobacco juice.
- dried for a few hours in the toaster oven @ 150F, stirred occasionally.

I decided it was too dry when I took it out of the oven, and splashed it with a few drops of water and put it back in the jar. However, it had only dried really on the outside, duh. So when I went to pack it and light it up, it was hard to get it to burn and it was burning unevenly. My toddler then woke up and needed attention, so I had to DGT the rest of the bowl.

When I just got back to it it had dried enough to get a good light. Now I'm really impressed with the results of this simple process. My undercured, sour tobacco is now smooth and cool smoking. It is not sweet, probably due to that air curing loss of sugars, but it has a nice mild tobacco flavour with notes of chocolate. It's easily as good or better than any commercial Cavendish I've tried. No gooey casings, once I got it lit it burned down to nice white ash with no tongue bite or wet smoking at all! It totally doesn't need the vanilla. I bet it would be great for a new pipe smoker.

Now I wonder how, where or IF I should add just a little sugar to get that Cavendish sweetness.
 

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Flue cured tobacco can contain a lot more sugar than you might think. 20% by weight I think is average. So you could add approximately that much, in theory. It's best to use dextrose or glucose because those are the predominant sugars in tobacco and they have better burning characteristics than more complex sugars like sucrose. I've only done it one, but adding it before pressure canning it had a better result than after. I think it's because it gets absorbed better than if you just put it on the leaf. It could also be that the process itself does something to the sugars. Likely, actually.
 

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As for procedure, it looks like you can fit much more tobacco in the jar. I pack mine as tight as I can, then add water based on feel rather than measuring it. I put as much water in as possible while still being able to turn the jar upside down and not leak.
 

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Thank you China

and the honey ?... it's good ?...

I took 50g of MD609, and added 7.5g of honey, and enough water to saturate it. Pressure cooked for 3 hours at 14.75lbs. The sugar content was noticeable, and the flavor was the same as the stuff I didn't put honey in, so I think honey works well. Most honey is predominantly glucose and dextrose, which is what you want.

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Some honeys have lots of maltose. It would be interesting to compare tobaccos made with different honeys.
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I have a pail of dextrose for brewing, but honey sounds like a good flavour to me! I can definitely pack more tobacco in, this was just a quick experiment to see if anything good would happen. When I get a good and reliable product I'll pack some jars, fire up the real canner and get to work.

The weight on the scale was in fact 0g of dry tobacco in that jar, lol. Very low case.

Can you clarify "able to turn the jar upside down and not leak"? Of course it won't leak with a canning lid on... do you mean that there is no standing water, only moist tobacco? And how long would you wait to see if it will uptake the water?
 

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I have a pail of dextrose for brewing, but honey sounds like a good flavour to me! I can definitely pack more tobacco in, this was just a quick experiment to see if anything good would happen. When I get a good and reliable product I'll pack some jars, fire up the real canner and get to work.

The weight on the scale was in fact 0g of dry tobacco in that jar, lol. Very low case.

Can you clarify "able to turn the jar upside down and not leak"? Of course it won't leak with a canning lid on... do you mean that there is no standing water, only moist tobacco? And how long would you wait to see if it will uptake the water?

What I meant was that it won't drip out upside down, even with the lid off, but if you added any more water, it would because the leaf is as wet as it possibly could be.
 

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Pressure Cooker Cavendish in Jars

In the past, I've made Cavendish by steaming the loose leaf in a collander, inside a pot of water (~8 hours), and in a different batch by pressure-cooking it as loose leaf suspended within a pressure cooker (~5 hours).

The current method uses 1 quart, wide-mouth mason jars with proper seals (like you would use for canning green beans). The leaf was misted to high case, stuffed haphazardly into a jar, then sealed with the cap and rim. I made up 4 jars, each with a different variety of leaf: Colombian Garcia, BigBonner Burley Red Tips, Guácharo, and Harrow Velvet burley. The Colombian Garcia was with stemmed leaf. The remaining 3 were stuffed into the jars stem and all. In fact, the last two in that list were misted as tied hands (the way I had stored them), then the complete hand was squished and jammed into its respective jar, still tied and tagged.

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The jars were placed onto the standard, small, metal stand-off plate at the bottom of a large canning pressure cooker (which I believe will hold 9 1-quart jars). I added as much water to the cooker as I could, without causing the jars to float. The pressure cooker was brought up to pressure and temp (~15 psi), then the heat was set to allow a continuous, gentle rocking of the weight. Cooking continued for 5 hours, without interruption. It was allowed to cool naturally. Water still remained in the bottom of the cooker, once the batch was done, and the lid removed. (By placing my ear near the pot, I could hear the water bubbling, as it rattled the jars. BUT, I did check to see that all was well about every 10 minutes during the final couple of hours.)

The hot jars were lifted out of the canner using a pair of canning tongs, and placed on a wood cutting board to cool. These jars are completely sealed and sterilized inside. The tobacco in them should remain microbe free indefinitely, regardless of the moisture content.

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The following day, I removed the soggy Colombian Garcia leaf, and arranged it to fit in 1/2 of a 1 quart Ziplock freezer bag. The bag was folded over, and left open. This was then placed beneath my lever-arm press--a cheese press, actually. Years ago, when I made this press, I measured the applied weight (using a scale) at the various notches on the lever arm, with a series of different weights suspended from the end of the lever (empty, 1 quart, 2 quarts, 4 quarts, the latter 3 being 2, 4 and 8 pounds respectively). The results of these measurements were printed-out, and pasted onto the end of the arm for future reference. For this particular batch, I used a glass mug suspended from the end of the arm.

The mug weighed 2 pounds. So the weight applied to the tobacco in the bag was 9 pounds. The folded bag is roughly 4" x 7", or 28 in[sup]2[/sup]. This tells me that the applied pressure was only ~ 0.32 psi. The tobacco was pressed for only 24 hours, since the goal was to make a cake that could be sliced, rather than a consolidated mass.

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The color of this Colombian Garcia was a medium brown, when the cooking was done--similar in color to the tobacco in the other 3 jars. After this light pressing, it achieved the darker color that you see.

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The cake was somewhat loose, and could have been taken apart fairly easily. Instead, I cut the cake into blocks 1 inch wide, using a Kuhn-Rikon kulu (6" blade).

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These blocks were then sliced into flake.

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The flake was spread onto a seedling heat mat that had been lined with a sheet of plastic wrap. It should take a day or three to dry.

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The aroma rising from the flake is delicious and rich.

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Bob

EDIT: I should add that using this method, the house was not filled with the smell of cooking tobacco. That may be a plus for some members.
EDIT 2: I just noticed that my first post in this thread was 5 years ago. I'm a slow learner.
 
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EDIT 2: I just noticed that my first post in this thread was 5 years ago. I'm a slow learner.

Yeah Bob... Welcome to the 21st Century..:)
BTW, I only fill my pressure cooker with about 2-3 inches of water. After 4-6 hours there is still plenty in the cooker.

Flue cured tastes like candy when done in a pressure cooker.
 

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Candy sounds good. I probably added about 3" of water to the pot (measured with the jars in place).

The sliced flake has already sufficiently dried on the seedling mat (with the aid of sunshine). That's about 6 hours drying time.

Bob
 

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Kaboom!

The batch of Colombian Garcia Cavendish has made it into a pipe. The Cavendish process brought about some interesting changes to the tobacco. It no longer has a cigar smell or cigar taste. But as a pipe tobacco, it is intense, rich and potent. The color is more of a deep maduro, rather than black. It lights easily, and burns very well.

I believe the nicotine is considerably higher than that of most of my pipe tobacco, but still not quite the punch of a cigar. I enjoy smoking it unblended. So this stuff is not the baby-soft cosmetic condiment for which black Cavendish is widely used in commercial blends. It is bold and full-flavored, and stands alone.

My only method of judging "room note" is to leave my study (where I smoke my pipe), then return later, after my nose has cleared. While smoking a cigar indoors always leaves a pungent, disagreeable odor on walls and furnishings, this Colombian Garcia Cavendish does not. On re-entering the study, there is no doubt that a strong tobacco has been recently smoked, but the aroma is definitely not cigar aroma. Magic!

Bob

EDIT: What this experiment has demonstrated to me is that an entire family of pipe tobaccos, ranging from bland and mild, to rich and full, can be made by using a Cavendish method on a selection of different tobacco varieties.
 

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Today I am trying making burley cavendish with rice cooker or in My country call magic Jar for 12 hours, image.jpg I dont know heat temperature exacly, smell it good sweat. I want asking how it possible if I add just honey ?
how much the ratio of honey can be used? Thanks
 

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I have a little question about making Cavendish in jars using a pressure canner.

Would it work OK just to use a pot on a stove, still with the tobacco in jars? My assumption would be that as long as I move the jars off the actual bottom of the pot so as not to have heat transferring directly from the bottom of the pot to the glass, as I'd assume that might be a bit too much for the jars to take.
 

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Using a pot on a stove will work but not nearly as well as a pressure cooker. The pressure cooker, due to raising the psi inside actually raises the temp to something like 250F or so degrees. The higher the temp the better your cavendish turns out.
 

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From a discussion in a cooking forum.
Above 400°F (200°C) - mostly caramelization, with the possibility of burning with prolonged heating
~330°-400°F (165-200°C) - increasing caramelization with higher temps, which uses up sugars and thus inhibits Maillard at the high end of this range
~300-330°F (150-165°C) - Maillard progresses at a fast pace, causing browning noticeably within minutes
~212-300°F (100-150°C) - Maillard gets slower as temperature goes lower, generally requiring many hours near the boiling point of water
~130-212°F (55-100°C) - Maillard requires water, high protein, sugar, and alkaline conditions to advance noticeably in a matter of hours; generally can take days
Below 130°F (55°C) - Enzymatic browning is often more significant in many foods than Maillard, but Maillard will still occur over periods from days or months to years, with progressively longer times at lower temperatures
 

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I have read through this whole thread. What a great one this is. I can't wait to try this out myself. Being a pipe smoker primarily Cavendish is one the menu for a lot of blends. Thanks to everyone for the great input on this subject.
 
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