POGreen Grow Log 2021

[deluxestogie]

Do you have a balcony with room for pots at home?

Bob

 

[POGreen]

We have a pretty big patio where one could grow tobacco , but then I have to find 100 buckets and some sort of soil.
It feels like an impossible mission to accomplish.
There is about 20-30 people in queue on every allotment , I don't know why it has come down to this situation.

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

It seems like I am screwed in growing tobacco next year , I have called every allotment in and around town to see if they have a lot for me , but no.
I came up with an idea but thats 15 miles from town.

15 miles isn't that far.

 

[POGreen]

15 miles isn't that far.

Thats 20-25 kilometers , guess it would take me 1 hour and a half one way with the bike
I was in contact with a responsible female at one allotment that had 1 lot free , but it turns out that there was a cabin along with the lot and cabin was 5000 $.

 

[deluxestogie]

I have often agreed that buckets for growing tobacco should be about 5 gallons, which is a lot of space, and a lot of dirt. But I've found from examining the roots in large buckets that much of that is wasted space. Also, 5 gallon buckets are far deeper than tobacco roots typically reach.

With more experience growing several different varieties on my porch steps during 4 or 5 seasons, I have come to the conclusion that all you need is a tub of roughly the same width as depth, that can hold about 2½ quarts (about 2.5 liters), in order to grow a full-size tobacco variety to about 2/3 normal size, or an Oriental to its normal size. I have used various coffee tubs. Any of them will need holes punched into the bottom, for drainage. The plastic coffee tubs with a pinch grip are particularly easy to move around, but the large coffee cans (usually with coated cardboard sides) work just as well. The metal and top rims of the "cans" will rust after about 3 years of use as a pot, but the cardboard sides remain intact.

So, instead of having to purchase 5 gallons of soil mix for a single plant, the same quantity of soil will grow 8 plants.

Bob

 

[Knucklehead]

I have often agreed that buckets for growing tobacco should be about 5 gallons, which is a lot of space, and a lot of dirt. But I've found from examining the roots in large buckets that much of that is wasted space. Also, 5 gallon buckets are far deeper than tobacco roots typically reach.

With more experience growing several different varieties on my porch steps during 4 or 5 seasons, I have come to the conclusion that all you need is a tub of roughly the same width as depth, that can hold about 2½ quarts (about 2.5 liters), in order to grow a full-size tobacco variety to about 2/3 normal size, or an Oriental to its normal size. I have used various coffee tubs. Any of them will need holes punched into the bottom, for drainage. The plastic coffee tubs with a pinch grip are particularly easy to move around, but the large coffee cans (usually with coated cardboard sides) work just as well. The metal and top rims of the "cans" will rust after about 3 years of use as a pot, but the cardboard sides remain intact.

So, instead of having to purchase 5 gallons of soil mix for a single plant, the same quantity of soil will grow 8 plants.

Bob

Thanks for this, that is very useful information. I’m almost shocked but I know your thoroughness in observation and experimentation so I don’t question your statement. Just surprised.

 

[deluxestogie]

I don’t question your statement.

You should always question my statements. What I have not done is plant the same variety during the same season in different size pots. Here is a comparison of potted vs bed-grown Havana 322 in 2017.

Bob

 

[nystuga]

What sort of a fertilizer Bob do you feed your plants with? They're huge!

 

[deluxestogie]

Standard 10-10-10 low-chlorine vegetable fertilizer at the same rate recommended for tomatoes.

Bob

 

[plantdude]

@eekay and @Radagast have had decent luck with air root pruning methods. They have either drilled lots of holes in a plastic pot or purchased cloth grow bags. The idea is to expose to the roots to the air to keep them from getting pot bound and they have appeared to grow bigger plants using this method. I have not tried it, but it sounds interesting.

My experience with pots is the bigger and heavier the better, particularly if you live in a windy area. Once they get a few feet tall they like to fall over, add a bud bag and they have their own sails Like Bob said a 5 gallon pot/bucket may be overkill, but filling in the bottom portion of it with rocks to add weight and reduce the amount of soil needed may be an option.

You may also want to go with a less aromatic fertilizer choice if you are growing them on your back porch

 

[POGreen]

I have been using General snus now for a while but it is so worthless and useless that I get all harsh in my mouth , on top of everything its 6.75 $ , this would never happen with
homegrown tobacco , its a pain to put it up my lip.

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

worthless and useless that I get all harsh in my mouth

And out of your mouth, lol.

 

[plantdude]

I purchased a can of grizzly long cut wintergreen a few weeks ago and it was about $5 and change here. That's gone up a bit from what it used to be. I also noticed they listed the components as being 70% USA grown tobacco and 30% imported tobacco. No point other than they used to not list that. Makes me wonder what varieties they are adding in if they aren't growing it all in the states, I suppose maybe it has more to do with cost than variety though.

 

[POGreen]

View: https://youtu.be/4jAiYAsIYKU

Sorry thats in Swedish but I guess you get the picture

 

[POGreen]

Now the frost is pulling in over Sweden
UPDATED TODAY 08:03PUBLISHED TODAY 07:24
Autumn is approaching and the frost is expected to settle over large parts of Sweden during the night until Wednesday.
- It comes late this year, it is usually autumn earlier in large parts of the country, says meteorologist Sara Rindegren.
Now it will be a change to colder and more stable weather, says SVT's meteorologist in Morgonstudion. Already the night before Wednesday means a general risk of frost in Norrland and in parts of Svealand.

 

[POGreen]

Byklevsfallet på Hunneberg i dess vackra höstskrud. Bild: Andreas Berghänel
[Byklevsfallet on Hunneberg in its beautiful autumn garb.]

 

[POGreen]

Beautiful isn't it ?

 

[POGreen]

 

[POGreen]

I did it , uploaded a picture from my new phone to Fair Trade Tobacco

 

[Oldfella]

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Byklevsfallet på Hunneberg i dess vackra höstskrud. Bild: Andreas Berghänel
[Byklevsfallet on Hunneberg in its beautiful autumn garb.]

Very pretty. We don't get picture post card scenes up my way. They do down the bottom of the South Island.
Thanks for sharing that with us.
Oldfella