Recipes for not-sweet chewing tobacco - like WB Cut.

[WBcutter]

I have home-grown, cured and dried tobacco leaves!
What are some recipes to make a non-sweet, fine-cut chewing tobacco? I now purchase WB Cut, which no one has heard of, and which I fear will go out business because of this, so I am looking to make a replacement should they finally quit making it. WB Cut tastes like not-sweet Copenhagen. It has the texture of fine sphagnum moss.

I am first interested in getting close to the taste, then I will be asking about the texture.

I just googled the product, and, apparently, it's not popular with veteran chewers. If anyone else knows about this product and has suggestions for replicating the taste, please reply!

 

[Jitterbugdude]

You have a tough road ahead. Without any veteran users it will be hard to figure out a recipe. I make my own dip and chew but I make it very sweet because I like very sweet things. Do you have any available? You might send out a few samples to the dip/chew makers on this forum. Maybe they could figure it out after they've sampled it.

 

[Chicken]

You do ask a difficult question.. All I can say is experiment..a good chew / dip maker was Workhorse.. But he moved and hasn't posted in a while..I'd suggesttt researching his posts and see what u can come up with.

Good luck.and post your progress.

 

[squeezyjohn]

I'm afraid I've never heard of the brand that you mention, but your description of it means you can get a good approximation I expect. First - the taste ... if it tastes like Copenhagen then there are several recipes floating round the internet which your favourite search engine can find. It would take a blend including a good fire cured tobacco and spice flavourings with a bit of whisky (I am told that one of the flavourings in Copenhagen is geranium) - it would need to be fermented for a while to give you the full taste.

Texture is far easier ... it's simply a combination of the cut (which if it is like sphagnum moss would be very thin long cut - for which you'd need a wickedly sharp blade) with the moisture content.

Good luck!

 

[Jitterbugdude]

Btw, is this the Grizzly made WB cut?

 

[ArizonaDave]

I have home-grown, cured and dried tobacco leaves!
What are some recipes to make a non-sweet, fine-cut chewing tobacco? I now purchase WB Cut, which no one has heard of, and which I fear will go out business because of this, so I am looking to make a replacement should they finally quit making it. WB Cut tastes like not-sweet Copenhagen. It has the texture of fine sphagnum moss.

I am first interested in getting close to the taste, then I will be asking about the texture.

I just googled the product, and, apparently, it's not popular with veteran chewers. If anyone else knows about this product and has suggestions for replicating the taste, please reply!

Great question. One ingredient that Copenhagen does have is Fire-cured leaves, as in here: http://www.wholeleaftobacco.com/Tennessee-Fire-Cured-VA-309-TNFireCured.htm
Possibly, but not certain, is Dark Air.
Most companies have their trade mark ingredients secret, so the rest is a matter of experimentation. Those two leaves should give you a good basis to start. Propylene glycol is often added in many commercial tobaccos, but anything added is subjective to the person/persons doing the experimenting.
The fire cured at WLT is fantastic! I wish you the best in your endeavors!

Also, although a Cigar tobacco, the Criollo Liguero is an excellent ingredient leaf. It has some of the hint of licorice prevalent in copenhagen.

 

[WBcutter]

Addressing many of your quick replies here - thanks for taking the time for a newbie!

-- I have my work cut out for me, apparently. WB Cut is made by the same outfit that makes Cope and Skoal, but good luck finding it! I have cultivated one tobacco shop in Minnesota to keep carrying it for me - which is very generous of them, since I use only 1 pack per week.
-- I am not living in a place where I can fire cure, so I pile cured my first-ever harvest.
-- I will check out the Cope recipes and see what happens, starting with small batches.
-- If anyone really wants to analyze the flavor profile of WB Cut, inbox me with your address and I'll send you a sample! I don't have the vocabulary or palate to describe it.

Finally, this is a crazy-busy time of year for me, so it may take me a while to start experimenting with recipes, but I will keep you posted.

Thank you all again for your help.

 

[Knucklehead]

Addressing many of your quick replies here - thanks for taking the time for a newbie!

-- I have my work cut out for me, apparently. WB Cut is made by the same outfit that makes Cope and Skoal, but good luck finding it! I have cultivated one tobacco shop in Minnesota to keep carrying it for me - which is very generous of them, since I use only 1 pack per week.
-- I am not living in a place where I can fire cure, so I pile cured my first-ever harvest.
-- I will check out the Cope recipes and see what happens, starting with small batches.
-- If anyone really wants to analyze the flavor profile of WB Cut, inbox me with your address and I'll send you a sample! I don't have the vocabulary or palate to describe it.

Finally, this is a crazy-busy time of year for me, so it may take me a while to start experimenting with recipes, but I will keep you posted.

Thank you all again for your help.

A little fire cured will go a long way. You could buy a pound from www.wholeleaftobacco.com to work into your recipes with your home grown. Making your own fire cured is so labor intensive that Don's price is especially attractive. His dark air would also be a nice addition to your blending arsenal. Both are great tobaccos.

 

[ArizonaDave]

A little fire cured will go a long way. You could buy a pound from www.wholeleaftobacco.com to work into your recipes with your home grown. Making your own fire cured is so labor intensive that Don's price is especially attractive. His dark air would also be a nice addition to your blending arsenal. Both are great tobaccos.

I agree, definitely.

 

[SmokesAhoy]

when you do your flavoring, keep in mind cope and skoal use quite a few flavoring ingredients that are blended to be just below the detectable range of your tongue.. subliminal was how it was described. too much and you ruined it, not enough and its absent. just the right amount.

there is a document I read on tobacco truth where one of their competitors sent samples to the lab and isolated the ingredients as best they could with pros, and even that wasn't conclusive but might start you down the right road.

cope is a masterpiece. it's a mix not just of tobaccos, but grinds, aging, cooking and flavoring.

if you did decipher the code you'd probably be killed. kidding. I think.

but you are where most people start the road, I've never heard of anyone reaching the destination but usually everyone finds a place that they're happy.

 

[KPaul]

@WBcutter Old thread and long time not posting, I know. Maybe this will make it to your email or someone currently on the forum that knows. Did you ever find the right recipe? I'm a veteran chewer, 42 years, and I chew WB daily, ~3-4 pouches/week. I have the above mentioned tobaccos on hand and will gladly order/grow whatever else is necessary to replicate this fine tobacco. Any direction is greatly appreciated.