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Trying narrow the flavors of cigar tobacco

Jb00

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Well, I did some flavor sampling today.

The following are my results.

Leaf Flavor Profiles:
Dominican Seco
- Earthy
- Slight Pepper
- Leather
- Pleasant general cigar taste
- Slightly nutty

Dominican Ligero
- No strong predominant flavor
- Bitter
- Leather
- Barnyard
- Nutty
- Brush Fire like aroma.
- Heavy smoke

Corojo Viso
- Nutty
- Complex
- Earthy
- Mocha
- Black coffee and dark chocolate

Cibao Valley (Dominican Seco)
- Dark chocolate
- Strong
- Unpleasant room note
- Earthy
- Manure

Honduras Cuban Seed
- Sweet
- Nutty
- Creamy
- Heavy smoke
 

PressuredLeaf

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Well, I did some flavor sampling today.

The following are my results.

Leaf Flavor Profiles:
Dominican Seco
- Earthy
- Slight Pepper
- Leather
- Pleasant general cigar taste
- Slightly nutty

Dominican Ligero
- No strong predominant flavor
- Bitter
- Leather
- Barnyard
- Nutty
- Brush Fire like aroma.
- Heavy smoke

Corojo Viso
- Nutty
- Complex
- Earthy
- Mocha
- Black coffee and dark chocolate

Cibao Valley (Dominican Seco)
- Dark chocolate
- Strong
- Unpleasant room note
- Earthy
- Manure

Honduras Cuban Seed
- Sweet
- Nutty
- Creamy
- Heavy smoke

Good stuff,

Here’s what I’ve got:

Corojo in general: Spicy, creamy, leather.
Olor: baking spice, mineral, black tea
Nicaraguan Habano: black pepper, leather, root cellar.
 

Nathan Esq

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Been working on puros to identify flavors:
WLT Condega havana seco- medium , flavorful, spice, not a shy leaf.
WLT - T13 medium, barnyard, spice, lots of flavors I havent identified, nice richness.
Estelli seco- mild, creamy light spice.
Mexican Oscuro- medium to full, harshness, no flavor at all, added a rich note, but lacking in everything else. Terrible.
Camaroon- mild, grass, hay, light spice, sweetness, flavor stuck around long after smoke.

ive been tasting minerals and salt here and there.

More to come when I get my WLT this week.
 

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Cibao Valley (Dominican Seco)
- Dark chocolate
- Strong
- Unpleasant room note
- Earthy
- Manure
good description. almost same taste notes here on cvva seco, was able to get it to blend with other tobac and work fine
 

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good description. almost same taste notes here on cvva seco, was able to get it to blend with other tobac and work fine
What did you blend it with?
I’m going to roll one tomorrow here’s the blend I’m going to try.

1 Cibao Valley Seco
2 Corojo viso
1 Honduras Cuban seed ligero
Maduro wrapper
 

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coro viso/san v. lig, so you're on the right track. also plays well with nic condega.

often times like to offset the primings with regard to strength/taste/combust./origin: mild seco+strong viso+med ligero = medium good, or in your case: medium seco, medium/strong viso, mild/medium ligero should = good solid medium.

the wrapper and binder play an outsized role in flavor..

only one way to find out!
 

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Just smoked a corojo seco puro. It was nice and tasty all the way down. I picked up, light earth, a bit of mineral, mushroom, dark toast, gingerbread.
Tomorow I try the CV coro viso, it's very dark. We'll see.
 

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Been working on puros to identify flavors:
WLT Condega havana seco- medium , flavorful, spice, not a shy leaf.
WLT - T13 medium, barnyard, spice, lots of flavors I havent identified, nice richness.
Estelli seco- mild, creamy light spice.
Mexican Oscuro- medium to full, harshness, no flavor at all, added a rich note, but lacking in everything else. Terrible.
Camaroon- mild, grass, hay, light spice, sweetness, flavor stuck around long after smoke.

ive been tasting minerals and salt here and there.

More to come when I get my WLT this week.
Havana and habano are two very different varieties (or sets of varieties) of tobacco.
 

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So I tried the CV corojo viso, it was smooth enough to inhale by mistake and quiet subdued flavors malty and tasty. The corojo seco was a little brighter in the flavor department, very well balanced with no one thing jumping out at me. I rolled 2 seco with 1viso, pa binder, sumatra wrap. There was alot of mineral and a pronounced "tang" that I liked. Not sure where the tang comes from, I'm thinking the pa binder.
 

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I smoked a cigar that Had been resting since Monday I used Corojo viso, Cuban seed viso and Cibao Valley seco with a maduro wrapper.

it was chocolate/cocoa all the way through. It also got sweeter as it burned.


2 Cibao Valley Seco
1 Corojo viso
2 Honduras Cuban seed viso
Maduro wrapper
 

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I smell great wonderful aromas in tobacco bags, I think I enjoy smelling tobacco more than I enjoy smoking it.
Well then your sniffer ain't busted, and if that works, then your taste buds should too: they go together. Can see from your subsequent posts that you're improving/enhancing your sense of taste and smell just fine. Food for thought, most folks who are blind smell, taste and hear much more keenly than those that can see: what can we learn from them?

Well, I did some flavor sampling today.

The following are my results.

Leaf Flavor Profiles:
Good job OP, valuable notes, keep doing this and sharing.

Here’s what I’ve got:

Corojo in general: Spicy, creamy, leather.
Olor: baking spice, mineral, black tea
Nicaraguan Habano: black pepper, leather, root cellar
Also good notes, helpful to others.. (y)
 

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I smoked two cigars this week, they were both 1 Nic Con Viso, 1 Nic con Lig, and a Sumatra binder. The only difference is one had the Ecuador maduro wrapper and the other had the Corojo oscuro. Both excellent full bodies cigars and easily qualified as "Nicaraguan" , but distinctly different.

The maduro wrapped cigar had those bold coco spicy flavors I associate with Nic maduro sticks. It's interesting to me, the coco and chocolate always seems to be accompanied by some sort of spice or pepper, almost like a good rye bread where there is a very rich character accompanied by the rye spice. The corojo wrapped cigar had some of the coco, but had much more of the earthy barnyard spice.

If I could describe cigar spice I kind of get two versions: Something like a wasabi spice that hits the palate very quickly, but also fades as soon as the smoke dissipates. The other type of spice I commonly get is more like black pepper or chili where the spice builds slowly and lingers on the palate. So far I find more of the wasabi or quick spice in the Dominican tobaccos, and the chili spice with the Nic tobaccos.

If you like many of the popular Nicaraguan commercial cigars, I definitely recommend the WLT Nic Con Viso and Lig.

If I were a patient man, I would try aging the cigars I described for at least 6 months. I'm guessing the resulting cigar would be a little more mellow and extremely satisfying.

A fun little note, my sister (who hates cigar smoke) smelled one of the unlit maduro cigars and said "it smells exactly like chocolate, I wish I had a candle of it".
 

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jb00, waikikigun, et al:

Don't listen to these guys. I am totally here for this thread. :p As an occasional smoker its what got me interested in growing my own in the first place.
 

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jb00, waikikigun, et al:

Don't listen to these guys. I am totally here for this thread. :p As an occasional smoker its what got me interested in growing my own in the first place.
I'm actually in the three-word camp: sucked, not terrible, pretty good.

The problem is none of this happens in isolation unless you're rolling something where the binder, wrapper, and filler are all identical (not just the same priming of the same leaf, but the same grade selection from the same priming of the same leaf from the same crop).

As soon as things get blended, all bets are off.
 

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I’m a simple guy so I hold my flavor notes down to mmmm, eh, and bleh.
Same here and my Olfactory memory is terrible and I can't retain what specific tobacco smells like what and the flavors seem to change all the time even with the same sticks or so it seems.
The same applies to wine, spirits ..I don't have a fine nose. I have been trying to improve this by bind tasting various brands of Scotch, its a slow process.
 

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Honestly, I think I like reading about it more than I'd have to ability to practice it. I know what wines and spirits I like, I'll read whiskey reviews etc. But I doubt I could pick out my favorite labels in a double blind taste test. Connoisseur, I ain't.
I can say I pinched some lugs off of my transplant standbys and burned them, they smelled gooood.
 
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