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I've lived in my current home for 18 years. I've always had neighbors on the East side of me and a vacant lot on the West side. Someone recently bought the vacant lot and is having it cleared. They put in a culvert for the driveway a few days ago and began clearing the lot. The lots out here are what we call "band aid " lots, they are 75' wide and 660' deep, 1.14 acres per lot. So, I'm kind of bummed out. No more taking a nonchalant leak on that side of the house with no concerns of anyone seeing you. Not to mention the loss of wildlife habitat. I just hope that whoever builds and moves in will be decent neighbors. Looking on the bright side, the danger of wildfires to my home will be lessened significantly.
Now's when you're probably thinking, "Gee, I wish I'd bought the empty lot next door so I could leave it empty." Some days I think if my neighbors were to put their houses up for sale, I'd like to buy them just to clear out some land.
 

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This is a follow up to the above post. I opened one my flour carottes today after one month. It has an interesting smell, it almost smells like a primary wine fermentation, but not quite, sort of fruity and acetic at the same time. I'll dry it out and try some of it in a snus blend in a few weeks.
I Wonder if the powdering of the leaf has disrupted enough tissue to form a kind of Perique fermentation in the Carrotte..?
 

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I Wonder if the powdering of the leaf has disrupted enough tissue to form a kind of Perique fermentation in the Carrotte..?
I think so, but I'm not really sure. I've never had any real perique, so I have no comparison. I did make a blended snus with the carotte flour, and it did add some depth to the final product. I used 25% carotte flour, 50% medley and 25% One Sucker. It made a very nice snus. I'll definitely keep making carottes this way.
 

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One Sucker color curing 6 days from harvest.

Looks like Little Yellow might make a decent sucker crop, One sucker not so much.
 

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All of the main crop has been color cured and moved to the garage for drying.

The sucker crop is coming along okay.
 

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I topped the sucker crop this afternoon whether they were budding or not so that, hopefully, they will all ripen evenly. Should be able to harvest around Christmas. If I'm lucky, I might get a pound or so total. They look healthy for the most part, just short with fewer and smaller leaves.

We've had some really nice weather for the last few days. Daytime highs have been around 70 degrees, nights in the low 50s.
 

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Sucker crop one week from topping. The plants hanging in the garage is the entire Fall harvest of One Sucker. I have all of the little yellow in a cardboard box aging, no picture of that.
 

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It's been 2 weeks from topping my sucker crop. I cut out the fertilizer today and will use fresh water from here on out. I should be able to harvest in 2 or 3 weeks. The leaves are sort of small, but they are thickening up nicely, especially the One Sucker.

I plan on starting seeds for a Spring crop around January first. The plan right now is to grow 2 dark varieties, Rot Front and Badischer Guedertheimer, about 20 of each. The seeds were acquired from one of our European members. I don't know if he wants to be named, but I am very grateful to him for sending me the seeds.
 

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Good call on the fertilizer cut off- I cut fertilizer off, right when I topped a few plants- too soon.
Nitrogen uptake is massive in that 2 weeks as the plants try to up the nicotine. Research showed that half the new nicotine is made with stored nitrogen, and half with newly absorbed nitrogen.
 

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It is always helpful to cite the reference.

Bob
Sorry- was in a hurry. Here:

Nicotine synthesis in Nicotiana tabacum L. induced by mechanical wounding is regulated by auxin​


And here:
Agronomic Practices Affecting Nicotine Concentration in Flue-Cured Tobacco: A Review
 
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Here is an interesting segment of text from the Agronomy Journal you cited:

"A study by Drake et al. observed the effects of applying different amounts of N at different stages of growth between transplant and 8 wk after transplant. It was found that applications of 50, 50, and 25% of the recommended N rate (80 kg ha−1) applied 0, 4, and 8 wk after transplant, respectively, resulted in the highest nicotine concentrations. In contrast, the lowest nicotine concentrations were from three applications of 25% of the recommended N rate, regardless of timing. The N application treatments with the highest nicotine concentrations all involved applying N at transplant and 8 wk after transplant. The lowest nicotine concentrations typically came from treatments that did not have any N applied 8 wk after transplant.
Underfertilization and leaching caused by excessive precipitation lead to lower nicotine levels. In contrast, overfertilization and drought conditions lead to higher levels of nicotine. Excessive fertilization can also affect nicotine primarily due to its effects on plant growth. Although high N fertilization increases yield, it can also be detrimental, causing delayed ripening and reducing quality."

There is no free lunch.

Bob

EDIT: These experiments, of course, were performed in tobacco fields. How these fertilizer trials apply to potted plants, or plants in bags, or plants grown in aquaculture is unclear.
 
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Sucker crop at 3 weeks from topping. One Sucker plants have only 3 to 5 leaves per plant. The lamina on those leaves is the thickest I have ever grown. Most of the Little Yellow have from 5 to 8 leaves per plant. I'm just beginning to see some yellowing at the leaf tips, I'll try to wait 2 more weeks before harvesting, weather permitting.
 

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Here is an interesting segment of text from the Agronomy Journal you cited:

"A study by Drake et al. observed the effects of applying different amounts of N at different stages of growth between transplant and 8 wk after transplant. It was found that applications of 50, 50, and 25% of the recommended N rate (80 kg ha−1) applied 0, 4, and 8 wk after transplant, respectively, resulted in the highest nicotine concentrations. In contrast, the lowest nicotine concentrations were from three applications of 25% of the recommended N rate, regardless of timing. The N application treatments with the highest nicotine concentrations all involved applying N at transplant and 8 wk after transplant. The lowest nicotine concentrations typically came from treatments that did not have any N applied 8 wk after transplant.
Underfertilization and leaching caused by excessive precipitation lead to lower nicotine levels. In contrast, overfertilization and drought conditions lead to higher levels of nicotine. Excessive fertilization can also affect nicotine primarily due to its effects on plant growth. Although high N fertilization increases yield, it can also be detrimental, causing delayed ripening and reducing quality."

There is no free lunch.

Bob

EDIT: These experiments, of course, were performed in tobacco fields. How these fertilizer trials apply to potted plants, or plants in bags, or plants grown in aquaculture is unclear.
Relation Between Alkaloid Synthesis and Nutrient Absorption in Tobacco Plant

Page 2:
“Absorption of nitrogen during the ripening period lowers not only the leaf quality but also increases excessively the alkaloid content in the leaves.”

No free lunch in Japan, either.
 

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Four weeks from topping my sucker crop. I primed some leaf from the bottom of the little yellow plants that had a lot of brown spot on them. One Sucker is going to be my go-to dark variety from here on out. It is much less susceptible to disease than any other dark variety I've grown.

I started a batch of snus yesterday; I keep a handwritten journal entry of each batch so that I can remember what worked and what didn't.

The humidity has been higher than normal for this time of year, usually this is our dry season. Something to do with the "El Nino" effect.

I plan on starting seeds January first for my Spring 2024 crop.
 

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The sucker crop at 5 weeks from topping is stubbornly staying green. I'll probably harvest them next week no matter what, so I can get ready for my Spring crop. I mowed the lawn a few days ago, normally it would be dry and brown by the beginning of November, but not this year.

Some lower leaves from the Little Yellow coloring.

A pic of one of my mutts, the black and tan won't even come outside when I water the plants. I sprayed her down with the hose a few times for messing around the plants and now she's traumatized.
 

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I decided to harvest the sucker crop today due to an expected upcoming rain event. It's been just over 5 weeks from topping. I piled them in the sun for a few hours to wilt, then strung them up on hangers. The long-term forecast calls for favorable humidity and temperatures for color curing. I guesstimate that the yield will be close to 2 pounds of cured whole leaf. This was the most successful sucker crop I've grown so far; I had zero problems with pests and very little disease. I'll probably continue to grow a sucker crop after my fall harvests from here on out.
 

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My Grandson at the Little League AA draft evaluations on Saturday.
The sucker crop is coloring up rapidly. It's been very damp and cool for several days in a row.
The hands of tobacco in the boxes are the Fall harvest of One Sucker and Little Yellow.
About 12 pounds of tobacco flour of various types in the zip lock bags.
 

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Thought I'd try another foolish experiment. Kilning in an oven type air fryer. I have the oven set to the dehydrator mode. The display says it is set at 160, but the actual inside temps are ranging from 126f to 133f. I've monitored it for several hours and it's never gone above 133. There are 2 quart size jars containing about 6 or 7 ounces each and 1 pint size jar containing about 4 or 5 ounces. The tobacco is in medium case, the lids are screwed on finger tight. I'll run it for about 10 hours a day for a few weeks and see how it turns out. It should be sort of like car or attic kilning with a little better temperature control.
 

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