Madhouse seed Trade / Swap list

[madhouse]

Hi folks not sure if being the first to put up a seed list is a good thing but here goes.


I have the following varieties of seed that I am willing To Trade / Swap.


Strains I will have to offer for trade soon, (all seed offered has been bagged) seed has been collected and will be tested for germination within the next couple of months just need to let the seed stabilize, if the seed is marked as ready (ready indicates that I have sprouted the seed), i.e. tested and ready to ship.
(Expected indicates that the seed has been collected and is awaiting germination tests )

golden Virginia : Ready
Virginia Lizard cross turtle : Ready
Shirey : Ready
Green Wood : Ready
Burley TN 90 : Ready
Burley KY 17 : Ready
Burley B-21 : Expected
Oriental Samsoun : Ready
Bursa : Ready
Silk leaf : Ready
Yellow twist bud : Ready
Monte calme yellow : Ready
Havana 142 : Ready
Variegata : Ready
Herzegovina Flor : Expected
North Caroline NC-82 : Expected
Rot Front : Expected
Bolivian Criollo Black : Expected
Turkish Izmir : Expected
Mahorka #6 Yellow-109 : Expected
Moldavian-456 : Expected
Galician original : Expected
Ternopolskii-14 : Expected
black mammoth : Ready
Flordia Sumtra : Expected
cheery red : Ready
Paris wrapper : Ready
Maryland 609 : Ready
Red Russian : Ready
Bamboo Shoot : Ready
Small Stalk Black Mammoth : Ready
Connecticut Broadleaf : Expected
Golden Burley : Expected
Silver River : Expected
Green Brior : Expected
Bamboo Shoot : Expected
Vesta 64 : Expected
Perique : Ready
Tree Tobacco - Nicotiana glauca : Ready
Virginia bright leaf : Expected
Aztec : Ready



Varieties that I already have planned for next year’s growing season (I have this seed already).



White Stem Orinoco
Warner
Burley KY-21
Hickory pryor
Glessnor
Burley KY-5
Catterton
One Sucker
Pennyslvania Red
Big Gem
Banana Leaf
Yellow Pryor
Keller
Zimmer
Barnett Special
Costa Rica 589
Primitive – Costa Rica TI 698
Primitive – Costa Rica TI 1454
Primitive – Cuba 4
Rustica – Mount pima
Rustica – Ancient
Rustica – Indian
Rustica – Kessu
Rustica – Papante
Rustica – isleta pueblo
Rustica – Hopi
Rustica – Sacred Wyandot
Rustica – Southern Tepehuan Makuchi
Rustica – Germand # 1
Rustica – Tarahumara El Cuervo
Rustica – Punche
Rustica – Sacred Cornplanter

If you have anything not on the list and would like to trade / swap please PM me.


Bill.

 

[Hasse SWE]

Feel free to look at me and see if I have anything you want!
-happy to send you some seeds to you if you are interested

 

[deluxestogie]

Very impressive lists. Thanks for posting.

Papante and Sacred Cornplanter are both N. tabacum, not N. rustica.

Bob

EDIT: THIS IS INCORRECT. PLEASE SEE BELOW.

 

[istanbulin]

Very nice list you have there madhouse ! Did you grow N. glauca (tree tobacco) there ? It's a perennial plant (while most of the Nicotianas are annual), so did it survive during the winter in your country ? I want to grow a single one for ornamental purpose but I'm not sure if it can manage winter conditions here.

 

[madhouse]

Thanks deluxestogie for the heads up, should have taken more notice when typing Istanbulin i am yet to find out if N. glauca (tree tobacco) will survive or winters in the UK although i have read they are very hardy so fingers crossed, i collected the seed on holiday on top of a volcano in lanzarote it was a very healthy tree and im am afraid it gave up all its seed when every one else was having lunch but i have set the seed and they germinated just fine i have 3 small plants in pots in the garden which will be moved indoors this winter.

 

[workhorse_01]

What's on your wish list? Or is your wish list what you don't have. I'm interested in the Nicotiana glauca, Just to grow it. Small Stalk Black Mammoth, & Aztec . I don't see Havana 211, Yellow Orinoco, Havana k-2, Metacomet, or petite Havana. I have those awaiting germination test still two months away.

 

[skychaser]

Very impressive lists. Thanks for posting.

Papante and Sacred Cornplanter are both N. tabacum, not N. rustica.

Bob

Papante is a tobaccum but Sacred Cornplanter definitely a Rustica. Perhaps you are thinking of Mt Pima?

workhorse_01,... I have a few of the things you want, and I want a few of the things on that list of yours you sent me the other day. I'll send you a message later.

 

[madhouse]

Thanks Sky i think i will have a look into these two a bit deeper, Ok did that and Sacred Cornplanter definitely seems to be Rustica but Papante looks like it is classified as Rustica but bears traits more akin to N. tabacum in this respect i would think its a similar looking plant too Red Russian with has habit like N. tabacum but leafs have a Rustica look about them i can only assume the deciding factor here is the amount of chromosomes they carried, N. rustica has only 24 chromosomes, while N. tabacum has 48 chromosomes ?.

Hi workhorse_01 yes you are correct (Or is your wish list what you don't have) its an ongoing process collecting seed and building a viable seed bank in the uk. I'll sen you a PM.

 

[deluxestogie]

Papante is a tobaccum but Sacred Cornplanter definitely a Rustica. Perhaps you are thinking of Mt Pima?

You are correct. Sacred Cornplanter is definitely N. rustica, and it is Mt. Pima that was rattling in my fuzzy brain.

So...to clarify my previous erroneous statement:

• Papante: N. tabacum
• Mt. Pima: N. tabacum
• Sacred Cornplanter: DEFINITELY N. rustica

Sorry for adding to the confusion. In my 2012 grow log, I discuss my crossing experiment which proved these assertions.

Bob

 

[madhouse]

No prob's Bob i like the fact i was questioned just helps to keep me on top of it, so is it possible for Rustica to cross Tabacum or is it a 1-1000 shoot and i wonder if it was possible would the resulting progeny be able too produce viable seed i only ask this as there seems to be some strains that have a decidedly Rustica look about them but taller usually and flower shapes tend to be more like Tabacum.

Bill

 

[skychaser]

I don't think it is possible for Rusticas to cross to Tabacums but it is possible the other way, though unlikely to occur naturally.

 

[madhouse]

UPDATE


Hi folks not sure how far along you all are with seeds but here's a update to my seed list.

I have the following varieties of seed that I am willing To Trade / Swap.


Strains I will have to offer for trade, (all seed offered has been bagged) seed has been collected and tested for germination, if the seed is marked as ready (ready indicates that I have sprouted the seed), i.e. tested and ready to ship.
(Expected indicates that the seed has been collected and is awaiting germination tests )

golden Virginia : Ready
Lizard cross turtle : Ready
Shirey : Ready
Green Wood : Ready
Burley TN 90 : Ready
Burley KY 17 : Ready
Burley B-21 : Ready
Oriental Samsoun : Ready
Bursa : Ready
Silk leaf : Ready
Yellow twist bud : Ready
Monte calme yellow : Ready
Havana 142 : Ready
Variegata : To be updated
Herzegovina Flor : Ready
North Caroline NC-82 : Ready
Rot Front : Ready
Bolivian Criollo Black : Ready
Turkish Izmir : Ready
Mahorka #6 Yellow-109 : Ready
Moldavian-456 : Expected
Galician original : Ready
Ternopolskii-14 : Expected
black mammoth : Ready
Flordia Sumatra : Ready
cheery red : Ready
Paris wrapper : Ready
Maryland 609 : Ready
Red Russian : Ready
Bamboo Shoot : Ready
Small Stalk Black Mammoth : Ready
Connecticut Broadleaf : Ready
Golden Burley : Ready
Silver River : Ready
Green Brior : Ready
Vesta 64 : Ready
Perique : Ready
Tree Tobacco - Nicotiana glauca : Ready
Virginia bright leaf : Ready
Aztec : Ready


Varieties that I already have planned for next year’s growing season (I have this seed already).



White Stem Orinoco
Warner
Burley KY-21
Hickory pryor
Glessnor
Burley KY-5
Catterton
One Sucker
Pennyslvania Red
Big Gem
Banana Leaf
Yellow Pryor
Keller
Zimmer
Barnett Special
Costa Rica 589
Primitive – Costa Rica TI 698
Primitive – Costa Rica TI 1454
Primitive – Cuba 4
Rustica – Mount pima
Rustica – Ancient
Rustica – Indian
Rustica – Kessu
Rustica – Papante
Rustica – isleta pueblo
Rustica – Hopi
Rustica – Sacred Wyandot
Rustica – Southern Tepehuan Makuchi
Rustica – Germand # 1
Rustica – Tarahumara El Cuervo
Rustica – Punche
Rustica – Sacred Cornplanter

If you have anything not on the list and would like to trade / swap please PM me.


Bill.

 

[madhouse]

UPDATE 2 - 10 NOV


Hi All
Well it’s been a long time coming but all seed is in and tested now apart from Variegata which seems to be somewhat unreliable in colouration so this strain needs more testing next year.

Moldavian-456 is very low and I mean very low as I I only had two plants survive this year, I still have one young plant indoors so I suspect there will be more seed early next year, so first come first surved and probably only 20 seeds each for this one.

I have been in touch with a friend in the UK that has grown Tree Tobacco - Nicotiana glauca for a couple of years now here and it seems to be quite happy outside in the ground so cold weather does not seem to upset it that much, Everything else is good and ready to go, hope you all had a great season and drop me a line if there is anything you need.

Strains I have to offer for trade, (all seed offered has been bagged) seed has been collected and tested for germination, if the seed is marked as ready (ready indicates that I have sprouted the seed), i.e. tested and ready to ship.
(Expected indicates that the seed has been collected and is awaiting germination tests )

golden Virginia : Ready
Lizard cross turtle : Ready
Shirey : Ready
Green Wood : Ready
Burley TN 90 : Ready
Burley KY 17 : Ready
Burley B-21 : Ready
Oriental Samsoun : Ready
Bursa : Ready
Silk leaf : Ready
Yellow twist bud : Ready
Monte calme yellow : Ready
Havana 142 : Ready
Variegata : held back for testing
Herzegovina Flor : Ready
North Caroline NC-82 : Ready
Rot Front : Ready
Bolivian Criollo Black : Ready
Turkish Izmir : Ready
Mahorka #6 Yellow-109 : Ready
Moldavian-456 : Ready very low stock
Galician original : Ready
Ternopolskii-14 : Ready
black mammoth : Ready
Flordia Sumatra : Ready
cheery red : Ready
Paris wrapper : Ready
Maryland 609 : Ready
Red Russian : Ready
Bamboo Shoot : Ready
Small Stalk Black Mammoth : Ready
Connecticut Broadleaf : Ready
Golden Burley : Ready
Silver River : Ready
Green Brior : Ready
Vesta 64 : Ready
Perique : Ready
Tree Tobacco - Nicotiana glauca : Ready
Virginia bright leaf : Ready
Aztec : Ready


Varieties that I already have planned for next year’s growing season (I have this seed already).



White Stem Orinoco
Warner
Burley KY-21
Hickory pryor
Glessnor
Burley KY-5
Catterton
One Sucker
Pennyslvania Red
Big Gem
Banana Leaf
Yellow Pryor
Keller
Zimmer
Barnett Special
Costa Rica 589
Primitive – Costa Rica TI 698
Primitive – Costa Rica TI 1454
Primitive – Cuba 4
Rustica – Mount pima
Rustica – Ancient
Rustica – Indian
Rustica – Kessu
Rustica – Papante
Rustica – isleta pueblo
Rustica – Hopi
Rustica – Sacred Wyandot
Rustica – Southern Tepehuan Makuchi
Rustica – Germand # 1
Rustica – Tarahumara El Cuervo
Rustica – Punche
Rustica – Sacred Cornplanter

If you have anything not on the list and would like to trade / swap please PM me.


Bill.​

 

[Markw]

Hi Bill you are far more organised than me. I am still waiting on a couple of strains, then I will look at doing some testing It looks like you had a good year this year.

 

[madhouse]

Thank's Mark it's not been too bad but hard work, most of the plants have done very well, some flowered a bit late and seemed to have no rhyme or reason when they flowered, main culprit Silver River, some flowered early spring some late summer ??? But I do love this plant it looks great and smokes great, I think my favourites for this year were Silver River, North Caroline NC-82, Galician original, Bolivian Criollo Black or were they ? I don’t know I think there all great, I wonder if anyone else has any favourites.

 

[madhouse]

UPDATE 3 - 26 NOV


Hi All
Well it’s been a long time coming but all seed is in and tested now apart from Variegata which seems to be somewhat unreliable in colouration so this strain needs more testing next year.

Moldavian-456 is very low and I mean very low as I I only had two plants survive this year, I still have one young plant indoors so I suspect there will be more seed early next year, so first come first surved and probably only 20 seeds each for this one.

I have been in touch with a friend in the UK that has grown Tree Tobacco - Nicotiana glauca for a couple of years now here and it seems to be quite happy outside in the ground so cold weather does not seem to upset it that much, Everything else is good and ready to go, hope you all had a great season and drop me a line if there is anything you need.

Strains I have to offer for trade, (all seed offered has been bagged) seed has been collected and tested for germination, if the seed is marked as ready (ready indicates that I have sprouted the seed), i.e. tested and ready to ship.
(Expected indicates that the seed has been collected and is awaiting germination tests )

golden Virginia : Ready
Lizard cross turtle : Ready
Shirey : Ready
Green Wood : Ready
Burley TN 90 : Ready
Burley KY 17 : Ready
Burley B-21 : Ready
Oriental Samsoun : Ready
Bursa : Ready
Silk leaf : Ready
Yellow twist bud : cancelled
Monte calme yellow : Ready
Havana 142 : Ready
Variegata : held back for testing
Herzegovina Flor : Ready
North Caroline NC-82 : Ready
Rot Front : Ready
Bolivian Criollo Black : Ready
Turkish Izmir : Ready
Mahorka #6 Yellow-109 : Ready
Moldavian-456 : Ready very low stock
Galician original : Ready
Ternopolskii-14 : Ready
black mammoth : Ready
Flordia Sumatra : Ready
cheery red : Ready
Paris wrapper : Ready
Maryland 609 : Ready
Red Russian : Ready
Bamboo Shoot : Ready
Small Stalk Black Mammoth : Ready
Connecticut Broadleaf : Ready
Golden Burley : Ready
Silver River : Ready
Green Brior : Ready
Vesta 64 : Ready
Perique : Ready
Tree Tobacco - Nicotiana glauca : Ready
Virginia bright leaf : Ready
Aztec : Ready
Ottomon HY : Ready



Varieties that I already have planned for next year’s growing season (I have this seed already).



White Stem Orinoco
Warner
Burley KY-21
Hickory pryor
Glessnor
Burley KY-5
Catterton
One Sucker
Pennyslvania Red
Big Gem
Banana Leaf
Yellow Pryor
Keller
Zimmer
Barnett Special
Costa Rica 589
Primitive – Costa Rica TI 698
Primitive – Costa Rica TI 1454
Primitive – Cuba 4
Rustica – Mount pima
Rustica – Ancient
Rustica – Indian
Rustica – Kessu
Rustica – Papante
Rustica – isleta pueblo
Rustica – Hopi
Rustica – Sacred Wyandot
Rustica – Southern Tepehuan Makuchi
Rustica – Germand # 1
Rustica – Tarahumara El Cuervo
Rustica – Punche
Rustica – Sacred Cornplanter

If you have anything not on the list and would like to trade / swap please PM me.


Bill.