Thanks, Bob. By this morning, I had already forgotten about that!
Bob the Forgetful
Deluxestogie Grow Log 2019
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Bob the Forgetful
Some metrics from 2019
Lancaster seedleaf:
Little Yellow:
Trabzon:
Bob
Lancaster seedleaf:
- class: cigar
- plant length to crowfoot: 60"
- leaf length (10th leaf): 19"
- leaf width (10th leaf): 11"
- leaf count: 17
Little Yellow:
- class: dark-air
- plant length to crowfoot: 48"
- leaf length (10th leaf): 25"
- leaf width (10th leaf): 14"
- leaf count: 14
Trabzon:
- class: Oriental
- plant length to crowfoot: 41"
- leaf length (10th leaf): 16"
- leaf width (10th leaf): 8"
- leaf count: 16
- class: Oriental
- plant length to crowfoot: 34"
- leaf length (10th leaf): 10"
- leaf width (10th leaf): 7"
- leaf count: 15
Bob
BT Spraying Essentials
In advance: grip strengthener, 50 reps per day, each hand
Afterwards: cold water and a post-BT cigar
Bob
In advance: grip strengthener, 50 reps per day, each hand
Afterwards: cold water and a post-BT cigar
Bob
Ah! The Mountains!
It feels good to be a hillbilly today.
Bob
It feels good to be a hillbilly today.
Bob
CobGuy
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We told our renter up in Flagstaff to clear out the back room and we'd be coming up for the rest of the Summer.
You could have heard a pin drop on the other end of the phone!
Keep Cool,
Darin
You could have heard a pin drop on the other end of the phone!
Keep Cool,
Darin
When I was at the Grand Canyon just a month ago, I could clearly see (from the North Rim!) persistent snow on the upper slopes of the San Francisco Peaks, reflected in late afternoon sunlight.
Bob
Bob
CobGuy
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On clear days, which is most of them, I can see the San Fran Peaks poking up behind two red cliffs in Sedona.
Humphreys Peak is the tallest in the state at 12,633 ft. high … no snow lately though! LOL
~Darin
Humphreys Peak is the tallest in the state at 12,633 ft. high … no snow lately though! LOL
~Darin
Plant Details and Other Poop
Notice that the pistil (entrance to the ovary) extends slightly farther out of the blossom than the anthers (pollen source). This makes a slight difference in the extent of self-pollination. Most tobacco self-pollinates at least 90%, prior to the blossom opening. An extended pistil increases the probability of encountering more pollen from elsewhere. [The color of the petals is a very light pink, though it appears almost white in the photo.]
Trabzon is in the same family of Oriental tobacco as Samsun, Bafra and Bursa. My Trabzon seed was provided as a gift from @skychaser.
This is a group of Turkish tobaccos that appear to have a petiole (a clear leaf stem), but on closer inspection, have a narrow lamina fringe along the base of the stem. There is sometimes a scarcely noticeable auricle descending the stalk for a short distance.
The leaves are spade shaped, in contrast to the "heart" shape of Samsun. Secondary veins are in a nearly square pattern.
Lancaster Seedleaf displays a large, ruffled and extravagant auricle that descends an inch or more down the stalk.
And here's Little Yellow's auricle.
I encountered these feces samples just beneath one of my dwarf pear trees. The deer pellets are unsurprising, since I see deer all the time. But the larger feces nearby appears to me to be from a Black Bear juvenile. I'm no expert at this, so correct me if I'm way off.
Notice in the above photo that one of these two visitors broke a small branch from the pear tree. I do have lots of nearly mature pear fruit blowdowns lying about.
I have never seen bear feces in my yard (in 20 years), and likewise have never seen a bear in the vicinity.
Bob
Notice that the pistil (entrance to the ovary) extends slightly farther out of the blossom than the anthers (pollen source). This makes a slight difference in the extent of self-pollination. Most tobacco self-pollinates at least 90%, prior to the blossom opening. An extended pistil increases the probability of encountering more pollen from elsewhere. [The color of the petals is a very light pink, though it appears almost white in the photo.]
Trabzon is in the same family of Oriental tobacco as Samsun, Bafra and Bursa. My Trabzon seed was provided as a gift from @skychaser.
This is a group of Turkish tobaccos that appear to have a petiole (a clear leaf stem), but on closer inspection, have a narrow lamina fringe along the base of the stem. There is sometimes a scarcely noticeable auricle descending the stalk for a short distance.
The leaves are spade shaped, in contrast to the "heart" shape of Samsun. Secondary veins are in a nearly square pattern.
Lancaster Seedleaf displays a large, ruffled and extravagant auricle that descends an inch or more down the stalk.
And here's Little Yellow's auricle.
I encountered these feces samples just beneath one of my dwarf pear trees. The deer pellets are unsurprising, since I see deer all the time. But the larger feces nearby appears to me to be from a Black Bear juvenile. I'm no expert at this, so correct me if I'm way off.
Notice in the above photo that one of these two visitors broke a small branch from the pear tree. I do have lots of nearly mature pear fruit blowdowns lying about.
I have never seen bear feces in my yard (in 20 years), and likewise have never seen a bear in the vicinity.
Bob
CobGuy
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Wow … sure looks like bear scat!
Usually more berries in there but certainly the right shape and form.
Wonder if he was tracking those deer?
~Darin
Usually more berries in there but certainly the right shape and form.
Wonder if he was tracking those deer?
~Darin
I think he was tracking the fallen pears.
Bob
Bob
GreenDragon
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I have never seen bear feces in my yard (in 20 years), and likewise have never seen a bear in the vicinity.
Bob
Well, there's a first time for everything, and their habitat keeps shrinking. If it liked the pears.... he'll be back. And with spoor that small there may be a momma bear close by. Just make a lot of noise in the mornings when you leave the house - give them plenty of time to scarper off if they are visiting.
This was a very enjoyable book I read recently that might be apropos at the moment:
P.S. Those are some beautiful and healthy tobacco's you have growing.
My coffee can Trabzon, on the front steps, is just a lovely plant. The flash washes out the light-to-medium pink along the margin of the corolla.
Bob
ChinaVoodoo
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My coffee can kumanova, but it can't trabzon (certainly not on the front steps).
Leaf Size
The width of Little Yellow is about 12". Corrugations in the leaf surface lift it off my measuring board.
Though my Trabzon plants reach only about 3' in my dense planting, the leaf size is consistently very large for a Turkish variety.
Bob
The width of Little Yellow is about 12". Corrugations in the leaf surface lift it off my measuring board.
Though my Trabzon plants reach only about 3' in my dense planting, the leaf size is consistently very large for a Turkish variety.
Bob
Moth
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Are these average sized or the largest specimens?
Alpine
Moderator
Bob is very meticulous... I bet those are all 10th leaves! Correct me if I’m wrong Deluxe...
pier
pier
Each is roughly the 10th leaf (not counting the 2 cotyledon seed leaves) from a plant that appears generally to be typical. I say roughly, because sometimes it's not possible to accurately count the dead and missing bottom leaves, even by looking for stem scars on the stalk. The standard is that recorded in the GRIN database, to provide comparable data. [I noticed just a couple of days ago that some of Jessica's newer entries at GRIN indicate "mid-stalk leaf" in the data field.]
The idea is not to showcase the biggest leaf I can find, since lower leaves are nearly always larger, but rather to maintain a record of what one might expect from a specific variety.
My largest Little Yellow leaves are several inches longer, and much wider. Since I will be stalk-harvesting them, I don't want to pluck off more of the leaves for a glamour shot.
Bob
The idea is not to showcase the biggest leaf I can find, since lower leaves are nearly always larger, but rather to maintain a record of what one might expect from a specific variety.
My largest Little Yellow leaves are several inches longer, and much wider. Since I will be stalk-harvesting them, I don't want to pluck off more of the leaves for a glamour shot.
Bob
I have 6 beds (16 plants each) that need to be primed at the bottom, in order for the remainder of the stalk length to fit in my shed. I'll be stalk-harvesting everything. I planned to prime the bottom 4 leaves of each of these stalks (so, estimated 64 leaves per string). The one variety that I was able to prime yesterday, after the dew dried, and prior to a surprisingly strong, pop-up thunderstorm was the Piloto Cubano, shown above. Some of the stalks are among my tallest, and needed more than 4 leaves removed, so I ended up with 75 leaves on that string, which then was hung in my shed. As of 11:00 am this morning, the grass and leaves are still too wet.
For the Trabzon, I'll likely wait another week before stalk-harvesting them. I'll cut off the bud heads, then sun-cure the stalks on my clothes line. 25 stalks (each of which needs a label), plus my potted Trabzon on the porch steps, which has not yet shown any convincing ripening.
This butterfly was "tasting" the Corojo 99 leaf's trichomes. Yum!
I attempted to photograph a fat cicada on a tobacco leaf, but it protested by flying into my face.
I have made up one Tyvek label for each string, and one label for each stalk (130 total). I'll use a nail at the base of each of the stalks, other than Trabzon, which I'll probably hang in the sun using sturdy x-pattern paperclips punched into the bases. These clips can allow the stalk to swing in the breeze without any chance of coming off the line.
Bob
I've primed the bottom leaf of every variety except Little Yellow and Trabzon, in order to "cut" the stalk length down to shed height. While the lower and mid leaf of Lancaster Seedleaf, Olor, Piloto Cubano and Corojo 99 is beginning to ripen, the top leaf is just barely mature. I could stalk-harvest them all now, and they would do fine, but I'm waiting for just a bit more top maturation.
In priming the lower leaf, I planned for 4 leaves per plant, but took as many as 7, if the plant stalks were unusually tall. For the Piloto Cubano, I also did a second priming yesterday, now having primed nearly the bottom third of their super-tall stalks.
As you can possibly see from some of the photos, all of the top leaf is thickened and beginning to rumple its surface, but only rare leaves show a yellowing tip.
One of the three beds of Corojo 99 has generally matured earlier than the other two, but I will still wait on stalk-harvesting any of them, so long as their lowest remaining leaves continue to look healthy.
Little Yellow (a dark-air) has not been primed. I'm trying to wait for more dramatic yellowing of the full plants.
The shed currently holds 7 strings (~75 leaves each) of primed bottom leaf. These tend to color-cure easily and fairly rapidly. Most of the space within the shed is reserved for the stalks of 104 plants, with hopefully enough spare room in which to hang the 26 small stalks of Trabzon. Although the Trabzon will be sun-cured, I bring them in from any threatened rain, once they've begun to die.
Bob
CobGuy
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What a beautiful site!
Congrats on another great season.
~Darin
Congrats on another great season.
~Darin
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