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Tobacco has some sort of an internal clock,they aren't based on seasons (light) or temperatures,unless they bolt under stress which was mentioned earlier.That's why some seed sellers say "matures in 55 days or 90 days",after transplant.

The ideal amount of wattage for most plants is around 40w per square foot of real grow lights,tobacco can do with less.And that's based on growing seedlings,as the plants get bigger,it doesn't mean they need more watts per square foot.Cfls are a good way to go for cost & energy output & a real brand (meant for growing plants) will penetrate 30cm into the canopy being 30cm away (so 60cm).

If you get LEDs,make sure it's the real ones meant for growing.Buying rubbish off ebay & amazon from a chinese seller won't work,it'll just burn the plants or won't grow properly.

Growing them outdoors is the best way if you can.This country is way too unpredictable.The price of indoor lighting,is nothing when you compare it against the cost of the tax & the poison that's in it.I save £400-600 a year doing it indoors & a guaranteed harvest.So it is better doing it indoors for me.

There's a lot on here who have never grown a plant indoors to full term but seem to have an opinion,saying it's "expensive" or "less quality".There's perfect light,no clouds,correct humidity,no wind,no pests,no pollution & no rain (something we all know about here) washing the nutrients away.
When done indoors in this country,the plants get more "sun" (light) in 1 month than they would get in 4 years.
Find out the correct lumens for the amount of plants you're growing,then see what is the cheapest type of bulb against the wattage & have them in a room/tent that reflects light back.Just look around on real grow shops.
 

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Tobacco has some sort of an internal clock,they aren't based on seasons (light) or temperatures,unless they bolt under stress which was mentioned earlier.That's why some seed sellers say "matures in 55 days or 90 days",after transplant.

The ideal amount of wattage for most plants is around 40w per square foot of real grow lights,tobacco can do with less.And that's based on growing seedlings,as the plants get bigger,it doesn't mean they need more watts per square foot.Cfls are a good way to go for cost & energy output & a real brand (meant for growing plants) will penetrate 30cm into the canopy being 30cm away (so 60cm).

If you get LEDs,make sure it's the real ones meant for growing.Buying rubbish off ebay & amazon from a chinese seller won't work,it'll just burn the plants or won't grow properly.

Growing them outdoors is the best way if you can.This country is way too unpredictable.The price of indoor lighting,is nothing when you compare it against the cost of the tax & the poison that's in it.I save £400-600 a year doing it indoors & a guaranteed harvest.So it is better doing it indoors for me.

There's a lot on here who have never grown a plant indoors to full term but seem to have an opinion,saying it's "expensive" or "less quality".There's perfect light,no clouds,correct humidity,no wind,no pests,no pollution & no rain (something we all know about here) washing the nutrients away.
When done indoors in this country,the plants get more "sun" (light) in 1 month than they would get in 4 years.
Find out the correct lumens for the amount of plants you're growing,then see what is the cheapest type of bulb against the wattage & have them in a room/tent that reflects light back.Just look around on real grow shops.
Thanks! We cross messaged! Your message kind of explains why my eBay lights are not sufficient!! Please can you link a good light for two plants in an 120 x 60 x 60 tent please
 

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The last part of my message says it.
It really all depends on what you want to spend.I'll come back on later & give more details.
 

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No i think those are a decent size for a medium plant. A good compromise between portability, cost and plant size.
As far as food look into a 2 part hydroponic system. You can go further into 3,4 and even more but all its about is breaking down the components to finer tune the feed. With a 2 part you will be able to push the nitrogen without overloading the phosphorus and potassium needs of the plant. Again i dont want to shill a specific product so just have a look around with a google : 2 part hydroponic nutrients.
They will have a schedule included with the product and you will want to run the week 1-4 across 5-6 months if that makes sense once they are settled (after about 6 weeks maybe more. ) You will Never need to run the second half of the feed schedule. Ever lol

please note: these are guidelines and guestimations based on other experience and not specifically from personally having grown tobacco indoors. Thats the fun part is fine tuning, observing, testing and making adjustments no matter what is in your tent. Thats the beauty of indoors is its all you. Good and bad cant blame the weather lol
 

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No i think those are a decent size for a medium plant. A good compromise between portability, cost and plant size.
As far as food look into a 2 part hydroponic system. You can go further into 3,4 and even more but all its about is breaking down the components to finer tune the feed. With a 2 part you will be able to push the nitrogen without overloading the phosphorus and potassium needs of the plant. Again i dont want to shill a specific product so just have a look around with a google : 2 part hydroponic nutrients.
They will have a schedule included with the product and you will want to run the week 1-4 across 5-6 months if that makes sense once they are settled (after about 6 weeks maybe more. ) You will Never need to run the second half of the feed schedule. Ever lol

please note: these are guidelines and guestimations based on other experience and not specifically from personally having grown tobacco indoors. Thats the fun part is fine tuning, observing, testing and making adjustments no matter what is in your tent. Thats the beauty of indoors is its all you. Good and bad cant blame the weather lol
Thanks again! Looks like ive found a suitable product: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Part-C...row-Bloom-Veg-Flower-Plant-Food-/174232656663
As I will be growing outdoors this year, I guess I will still feed it the same as indoors .... obviously taking into account rain etc..
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Tobacco has some sort of an internal clock,they aren't based on seasons (light) or temperatures,unless they bolt under stress which was mentioned earlier.That's why some seed sellers say "matures in 55 days or 90 days",after transplant.

The ideal amount of wattage for most plants is around 40w per square foot of real grow lights,tobacco can do with less.And that's based on growing seedlings,as the plants get bigger,it doesn't mean they need more watts per square foot.Cfls are a good way to go for cost & energy output & a real brand (meant for growing plants) will penetrate 30cm into the canopy being 30cm away (so 60cm).

If you get LEDs,make sure it's the real ones meant for growing.Buying rubbish off ebay & amazon from a chinese seller won't work,it'll just burn the plants or won't grow properly.

30cm is a really little tobacco plant!! Which is why cfl is not really recommended. I do not think you will find any professional grower using them anymore. Yes you can gang them up all over the place.
I have to disagree with the “chinese rubbish” too. If you are burning your plants its because you have too much light. Get your light meter out and see whats going on. Raise, dim etc to properly light per growth stage.
Now just like any countries manufacture some is good, some is bad. But the lm301b or h is as good as it currently gets for led chip no matter where the housing is assembled. (There are some other non samsung chips that are really really close)
 

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Looks good. Yes if in pots the plant feed it. I would not feed about a week before each time i was to harvest some leaves
Great! thanks for confirming. Yep, with the Miracle Gro, I was feeding 1 cup per 1 litre of water = 3 litres of water/feed 1 week and the next week just 3 litres of water.
Now my plant has flowered, I am just going to feed it 3 litres of water and discontinue the Miracle Gro.
 

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Thanks. I usually use Miracle-Gro All Purpose Liquid Plant Food which by the ingredients includes nitrogen. I currently have my 8 plants on a sunny window sill waiting until mid-end April (End of frost) to put outside in the garden. I am also going to try some indoors again with the extra knowledge I have gained :)
I would avoid that for your baby seedlings. Urea can kill the seedlings. After transplant to the patch they can withstand some urea and I toss out pelletized fertilizer with urea. (for inside, I’m sure you’ll stick with water soluable). For seedlings, I use urea free orchid fertilizer 20-10-20 recommended by a commercial tobacco farmer for his float trays.
 
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I would avoid that for your baby seedlings. Urea can kill the seedlings. After transplant to the patch they can withstand some urea and I toss out pelletized fertilizer with urea. (for inside, I’m sure you’ll stick with water solvable). For seedlings, I use urea free orchid fertilizer 20-10-20 recommended by a commercial tobacco farmer for his float trays.
The plants I started two days ago have only had water (from the bottom until soil is moist) and then clingfilm over the top (As per the pic above). I wont feed them anything other than water for a few weeks. I guess this product matches https://www.gardeningforall.co.uk/product.aspx?prodid=1373 Or;
 

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This is what I use. It’s 20-10-20 and states urea free. I don’t see urea in the analysis of yours but I’m only seeing 2% nitrogen unless I’m reading it wrong.


the Cherry Red is a wonderful flue cure variety that’s great for pipes or cigarette blends.
 

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This is what I use. It’s 20-10-20 and states urea free. I don’t see urea in the analysis of yours but I’m only seeing 2% nitrogen unless I’m reading it wrong.


the Cherry Red is a wonderful flue cure variety that’s great for pipes or cigarette blends.
I am struggling very much to find a UK seller that had "Urea Free Orchid 20-10-20" :)
When you say flue cure variety thats great with cigarette blends - Does this mean I cannot simply grow "Cherry Red" and smoke it? It would need to be blended with something else? I dont really understand the blending etc.
Thanks
 

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@Bramleyjordan - Where about's in England are you? I have traveled there a few times over the last couple years and work with the gardening stores over there. I may be able to steer you towards some local contacts as well, if needed. It sounds like things are progressing along nicely though! Keep it up! I'm interested to see how this goes :cool:
 

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@Bramleyjordan - Where about's in England are you? I have traveled there a few times over the last couple years and work with the gardening stores over there. I may be able to steer you towards some local contacts as well, if needed. It sounds like things are progressing along nicely though! Keep it up! I'm interested to see how this goes :cool:
Hello! I am in South East, 40 miles West of London :)
 

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@Bramleyjordan - Where about's in England are you? I have traveled there a few times over the last couple years and work with the gardening stores over there. I may be able to steer you towards some local contacts as well, if needed. It sounds like things are progressing along nicely though! Keep it up! I'm interested to see how this goes :cool:
IF you know of growers in the UK, it would be very nice to know which products to use (fertilizers etc..) as most recommended are US or other countries where I cannot find UK sellers selling it!
 

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I am struggling very much to find a UK seller that had "Urea Free Orchid 20-10-20" :)
When you say flue cure variety thats great with cigarette blends - Does this mean I cannot simply grow "Cherry Red" and smoke it? It would need to be blended with something else? I dont really understand the blending etc.
Thanks
Most American style cigarettes are comprised of a blend. Canadian cigarettes are all flue cure type although they may be a blend of different flue cure varieties. A fair amount of my pipe smoking is just a chunk of a leaf torn off and stuffed in the pipe. It’s all good, just different.
 
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