Making Black Cavendish Pipe Tobacco

[johnlee1933]

I'm finding that the deeper the color of the leaf that goes in, the blacker it comes out. As for nicotine loss, it the leaf is not in the water (that is, the waste water at the end of the process is only lightly colored), it still packs the original wallop.

ALSO, I'm no longer pressing the leaf afterwards, since I end up having to rub it out anyway. I bring it down to low case (still flexible), scrunch it into a cigar-like filler bunch, then slice it that way with my kulu (poor man's chaveta). This approach seems to provide a nicer crinkle to the shred.

Bob

Thanks but what about as wrapper. I'm trying for a poor man's maduro.

 

[BigBonner]

I'm finding that the deeper the color of the leaf that goes in, the blacker it comes out. As for nicotine loss, it the leaf is not in the water (that is, the waste water at the end of the process is only lightly colored), it still packs the original wallop.

ALSO, I'm no longer pressing the leaf afterwards, since I end up having to rub it out anyway. I bring it down to low case (still flexible), scrunch it into a cigar-like filler bunch, then slice it that way with my kulu (poor man's chaveta). This approach seems to provide a nicer crinkle to the shred.

Bob

What about using the burley red tips ?

 

[johnlee1933]

What about using the burley red tips ?

I was also thinking about Dark Air.

 

[BarG]

Ok, I'm a believer. The small sample of straight black cavindish I just tried had very little toungue bite but might of knocked me over if I had not been sitting. I say the nicotine was not diminished and the water was almost black, the 1" left after 7-8 hours of steaming. I like it!!!

My second batch has Fl.sumatra mids,guatemalen tips,h-425 tops, and ytb mids. Using Johns pressure cooker approach.

 

[Jitterbugdude]

What about using the burley red tips ?

You can use whatever tobacco you want. The commercial Cavendish is made with either Virginias or Burleys. Sometimes they add sugars and flavored sauces sometimes they do not. Whatever you use it's probably important to send some up north here to the quality control department.

 

[BarG]

You can use whatever tobacco you want. The commercial Cavendish is made with either Virginias or Burleys. Sometimes they add sugars and flavored sauces sometimes they do not. Whatever you use it's probably important to send some up north here to the quality control department.

Would someone that goes by the handle "JBD" be the main inspecter for them thar territories.

 

[leverhead]

Jitterbugdude, do you have your ISO certs?

 

[deluxestogie]

What about using the burley red tips ?

I would expect them to be delicious as black Cavendish, as well as potent. I've kilned all the burley red tips that I had left. The kilned version makes top notch cigar filler. (I rolled a kilned burley red tip puro this morning, and wrapped it in the same. By the end of the cigar, I began sweating, felt queasy, and my insides began to rumble. It's using it as a wrapper that does that. Direct nicotine slam.) When wrapped in anything else, it's smooth as a baby's bottom.

John,
I've used black Cavendish as a dark wrapper. It works well. I would suggest not block pressing it, but just handling the leaf like any of your other wrapper leaf.

Bob

 

[johnlee1933]

John,
I've used black Cavendish as a dark wrapper. It works well. I would suggest not block pressing it, but just handling the leaf like any of your other wrapper leaf.

Bob

Thanks. I'm going to go ahead. I'll try red tips, 609 and dark air for this experiment.

 

[BarG]

I would expect them to be delicious as black Cavendish, as well as potent. I've kilned all the burley red tips that I had left. The kilned version makes top notch cigar filler. (I rolled a kilned burley red tip puro this morning, and wrapped it in the same. By the end of the cigar, I began sweating, felt queasy, and my insides began to rumble. It's using it as a wrapper that does that. Direct nicotine slam.) When wrapped in anything else, it's smooth as a baby's bottom.

John,
I've used black Cavendish as a dark wrapper. It works well. I would suggest not block pressing it, but just handling the leaf like any of your other wrapper leaf.

Bob

The dark red tips from my burley,courtesy of Bonners plants last year are always a good addition to my cigars. The few tops kilned are kept in a drawer and never seem to lose the right case for a great burning and good punch to otherwise to mild cigar. 1 leaf about 7-10" long added works for me.

 

[Knucklehead]

Now that you mad scientists are caught up, why don't you tackle the latakia puzzle?

 

[deluxestogie]

That's a different black altogether. Once suitable woods are identified, Latakia still needs to be fired for 3 months straight. We'll save that for a separate thread.

Bob

 

[BarG]

That's a different black altogether. Once suitable woods are identified, Latakia still needs to be fired for 3 months straight. We'll save that for a separate thread.

Bob

There is a thread or perhaps topic where links and information on that from a couple months ago were discussed. It was very specific on the methods and woods to fire or smoke latakia. Very interesting and informative.

 

[BarG]

http://fairtradetobacco.com/showthr...-a-Quest-for-Details&highlight=Latakia+curing

 

[DGBAMA]

if "smoke curing" tobacco enhances flavor like smoking a good steak, then I am all in for trying it. lol.

 

[BigBonner]

I would expect them to be delicious as black Cavendish, as well as potent. I've kilned all the burley red tips that I had left. The kilned version makes top notch cigar filler. (I rolled a kilned burley red tip puro this morning, and wrapped it in the same. By the end of the cigar, I began sweating, felt queasy, and my insides began to rumble. It's using it as a wrapper that does that. Direct nicotine slam.) When wrapped in anything else, it's smooth as a baby's bottom.

John,
I've used black Cavendish as a dark wrapper. It works well. I would suggest not block pressing it, but just handling the leaf like any of your other wrapper leaf.

Bob

Bob

That sounds like my first date


Jitterbugdude

Which of these would you test quality control on ?
This would be plain whole leaf tobacco

Burley aged
Burley 2012 Crop
Burley Red Tips Aged
Burley red tips 2012 Crop
Bright leaf
Dark air
Maryland Aged
Maryland 2012 Crop
One sucker
Dark Fire
Ct broad leaf 2012 Crop

 

[BarG]

5 hours in a pressure cooker. the havana was done in 1, the tied hands took a little longer, 5 hours to black.

has anyone figured why a partial black is achieved? i think it has to do with the motion of the ocean,

 

[DonH]

I think the longer you cook it the darker it gets. I know someone said it should cook 24 hrs but I lose patience way before that.

 

[BarG]

I think the longer you cook it the darker it gets. I know someone said it should cook 24 hrs but Imlose patience way before that.

interesting.

 

[COLIN]

When makeing cavendish do you have to kiln the leaf first. I have some maryland mud lug's from this year grow which i would like to try.