Making Black Cavendish Pipe Tobacco

[BigBonner]

What would Cavendish tobacco be worth per pound and is there a big need for it ?
I know it is needed in small amounts but is there a larger use for it ?

 

[Knucklehead]

Larry here's some quick prices for blending Cavendish. You can Google it and find more sellers:

http://www.pipesandcigars.com/pipe-tobacco/73047/super-value-black-cavendish/

http://www.cigarsinternational.com/pipe-tobacco/40072/smokers-pride-black-cavendish-pipe-tobacco/

http://www.cupojoes.com/cgi-bin/dept?dpt=F&srch=DF&tier2=5

http://www.rockyscigars.com/catalog.asp?prodid=772033

http://www.rockyscigars.com/catalog.asp?prodid=772031

 

[Jitterbugdude]

What would Cavendish tobacco be worth per pound and is there a big need for it ?
I know it is needed in small amounts but is there a larger use for it ?

It is mostly used by pipe smokers. They are an odd lot. Most would prefer to buy an already blended, trendy sounding mixture than to buy in bulk and blend their own. I used to get on the pipe smokers forum and try to steer them over here bragging about the grow your own/mix your own fun. I think I saw 2 members pop over here about a year ago. Most of the pipe smokers that I saw "blending" their own mix were just taking 2 or 3 different already prepared blends and mixing them together. If you were to sell Cavendish you would probably have to pay the tax man since it would be considered a "finished" tobacco product..I think

 

[DGBAMA]

JBD, unless it was made with the midrib intact instead of removing it.....i think?

 

[Jitterbugdude]

I don't know, maybe we'll let Larry sell some and see what the Feds think...

 

[BigBonner]

I have a bunch over 1000 pounds of last years Maryland that I just don't like the color to well . I thought about making Cavendish out of it .
I can steam around 20 plus pounds at one time with the stem in .

Steaming would make the color better either way it goes .

 

[deluxestogie]

Do pay close attention to drying afterwards. I find Cavendish dries very, very slowly.

Bob

 

[BigBonner]

With this cold weather All I would have to do is open it up to outside air and it would suck the moisture out quickly . Them maybe re case it with steam .

This time of year I have to keep my tobacco books covered with plastic or a tarp or the tobacco will dry out before I get it on my stripping room table for stripping leaves .

Ok for ones who don't know what a tobacco book is . It is what we call a pile of tobacco . When we take tobacco down out of the barn we pull the sticks and layer the tobacco while on the stalk in layers about 6 to 7 ft high and as long as needed . When we need a arm load of tobacco to strip we just go to the pile ( Book ) and get it . This helps keep the tobacco in case for stripping . storing Tobacco this way when the stalk is green , it will have to be stripped up within a day or so or the book will heat up and get extremely hot . Tobacco will ruin .

 

[Wilbur]

I followed the instructions here in this thread. Got 15 leaves or so of Maryland 609 from Don.




Steamed for 11-12 hrs on High.

Cased it with
4 part Crown Royal Black Whiskey
1 part Maple Syrup
1 part Sugar
4 water

I smoked it raw in a pipe and I couldn't smoke more than 5 puffs. The ph level seems to be super low. Surprisingly, cavendish process didn't make it that much better. It is noticeably smoother but still gives me some serious burn. Hm... what can I do more? Toasting?

 

[Matty]

The tongue bite, or burning, is most likely from the added sugar. Try it plain, without adding anything

 

[deluxestogie]

The tongue bite, or burning, is most likely from the added sugar. Try it plain, without adding anything

I agree. It's probably the casing.

Bob

 

[Wilbur]

Thanks for the advice! Shortsightedly I cased the whole batch! I will have to try it again another time.

 

[DonH]

Thanks for the advice! Shortsightedly I cased the whole batch! I will have to try it again another time.

Or you could add just a teaspoon total of the sweetener in 8oz water and case it with that. Maybe a tablespoon or two of the whiskey.

 

[Desertpipe]

Most pipe tobacco flavorings do not contain a raw sugar, as that is the burn you feel. The worst experiment I did with casings was with JD Honey Bourbon. A conversation with Russ Oullette (Blender at pipesandcigars) confirmed that is was indeed the sugar base added to the JD. Fun thread to read at one sitting, thanks to all that contributed.

 

[Knucklehead]

Most pipe tobacco flavorings do not contain a raw sugar, as that is the burn you feel. The worst experiment I did with casings was with JD Honey Bourbon. A conversation with Russ Oullette (Blender at pipesandcigars) confirmed that is was indeed the sugar base added to the JD. Fun thread to read at one sitting, thanks to all that contributed.

Thank you for sharing in our efforts. Anything you have to contribute will be met with wild enthusiasm.

 

[smokinghole]

After reading this whole thread I have a question. Did anyone end up making cavendish with dark air? I am looking to make some more robust cavendish and was thinking the dark air I bought would be a great candidate. I'm a homebrewer and figure I can just wake up sunday. Throw a half pound or so worth of leaves in a mesh bag and hang it in my boil kettle full of RO water and just steam the leaf hanging in the pot from the lid for as long as needed until black. I will of course post results of my attempt.

 

[deluxestogie]

I'm not sure what RO water is, but the proposed method should work. To get consistent coloring, the leaf should probably be rearranged several times during the steaming.

I've made a number of batches of Black Cavendish, each from a different leaf variety. The stronger the tobacco that goes in, the stronger the Cavendish that comes out, so long as the leaf is not immersed in water during the cooking.

Bob

 

[istanbulin]

"RO" Reverse Osmosis is one of the systems using for water purification. RO water is almost purified. I guess it should work for Cavendish.

 

[Jitterbugdude]

"RO" Reverse Osmosis is one of the systems using for water purification. RO water is almost purified. I guess it should work for Cavendish.

RO is what I used when I made Cavendish using MD 609. It was marvelous.

 

[smokinghole]

Yeah I use reverse osmosis for my homebrewing endeavors. I have a grocery vending machine that charges $0.35/gal. It's way cheaper than boxes of spring water, and my municipal source is heavy on the chlorine. I do not believe it is chloramine so it would boil out if I preboiled the water before steaming the leaf. It's just convenient to use water because I can add whatever water minerals I want for whatever I'm doing, like maybe even making carbonated mineral water like San Pelligrino esque water. I make that by the 3gal keg and costs less than $1 when a bottle of San Pelligrino costs almost $3.

Anyhow I should get around to this dark air cavendish dealio this weekend. Thanks guys!