POGreen
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Nice picture there rainmax !
2014 Knucklehead Grow Blog
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Nice picture there rainmax !
I have re-evaluated the way I was sun curing my Orientals and have made some changes. The biggest change is in how I string the leaves. After watching some Turkish video of the folks stringing their traditionally grown Oriental leaf, I noticed that they weren't piercing the stem, they were piercing the lamina at a junction between the stem and a strong secondary vein. Pictures follow. I also examined some of Don's Oriental leaf and found the same piercing on some of his leaf. Stringing Orientals is now easier and faster than stringing any other leaf.
Krumovgrad 90 was the first variety I tried this on. The speed is beyond belief. This coat hanger full is yellowing in the shop before being moved into the sun.
The two following pictures show where to stab the leaf. Drop down from the butt of the leaf enough to get a strong secondary vein. Pierce the lamina at the triangle formed by the junction of the main stem and the secondary vein.
Sun Curing Orientals on the modified coat hangers. Each variety is labeled with a strip of surveyors tape that I use on bud bags, harvested seed heads, curing leaf, etc. It's cheap and works very well.
Krumovgrad 90 was the first variety I tried this on. The speed is beyond belief. This coat hanger full is yellowing in the shop before being moved into the sun.
The two following pictures show where to stab the leaf. Drop down from the butt of the leaf enough to get a strong secondary vein. Pierce the lamina at the triangle formed by the junction of the main stem and the secondary vein.
Sun Curing Orientals on the modified coat hangers. Each variety is labeled with a strip of surveyors tape that I use on bud bags, harvested seed heads, curing leaf, etc. It's cheap and works very well.
Miscellaneous pictures of tobacco stuff going on right now.
Besuki finishing the cure in my garage. It was yellowed in my shop. I leave the doors to the shop open at night for higher humidity. The garage doors are almost always closed so I cycle the green leaf into the shop, then move the yellow leaf to the garage, and then I will finish off stem drying on my propagation mats in the basement.
This is a coat hanger full of Duzce. An Oriental. It is yellowing in the shop prior to sun curing.
Orientals yellowing in the shop.
The start of a Besuki sucker grow in a bucket. In a few days I'll pick the best looking sucker of the three in the pictures and eliminate the other two.
Maryland 609 finishing the cure in my garage. I had them yellow in the shop where I am keeping the humidity up by keeping the big door open at night. The garage door stays mostly closed so humidity is lower and temps are higher. I move them to the basement to stem dry on my propagation mats.
Besuki finishing the cure in my garage. It was yellowed in my shop. I leave the doors to the shop open at night for higher humidity. The garage doors are almost always closed so I cycle the green leaf into the shop, then move the yellow leaf to the garage, and then I will finish off stem drying on my propagation mats in the basement.
This is a coat hanger full of Duzce. An Oriental. It is yellowing in the shop prior to sun curing.
Orientals yellowing in the shop.
The start of a Besuki sucker grow in a bucket. In a few days I'll pick the best looking sucker of the three in the pictures and eliminate the other two.
Maryland 609 finishing the cure in my garage. I had them yellow in the shop where I am keeping the humidity up by keeping the big door open at night. The garage door stays mostly closed so humidity is lower and temps are higher. I move them to the basement to stem dry on my propagation mats.
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Pictures of various varieties in the patch.
Amarillo Parado a cigar filler variety from the Dominican Republic.
Besuki wrapper from Indonesia. Priming has begun.
Brazil Dunkel wrapper from the German Seed Site: German Seed Site
La Palma Havana from the Canary Islands. Seed provided by Markw. Thanks Mark.
Maryland 609. Huge leaves. Primed once already.
Timor wrapper from Indonesia.
Although most all my Dark varieties were somewhat stunted this year. This VA 355 Dark Air is one of my favorites as far as it's growth habit goes. It has huge leaves. A taste test is in order to settle on a dark air variety from the many that I am growing this year for seed.
Amarillo Parado a cigar filler variety from the Dominican Republic.
Besuki wrapper from Indonesia. Priming has begun.
Brazil Dunkel wrapper from the German Seed Site: German Seed Site
La Palma Havana from the Canary Islands. Seed provided by Markw. Thanks Mark.
Maryland 609. Huge leaves. Primed once already.
Timor wrapper from Indonesia.
Although most all my Dark varieties were somewhat stunted this year. This VA 355 Dark Air is one of my favorites as far as it's growth habit goes. It has huge leaves. A taste test is in order to settle on a dark air variety from the many that I am growing this year for seed.
Knucks, Looking good! I do not envy you with all those varieties. A lot of work, bagging, tagging, priming and keeping track of it all. I grew 6 varieties this year. It was so nice to only have 6 varieties to worry about instead of my usual 16-20. I can't even begin to image what it's like for you. You're growing something like 980 different ones right?....
Great tobacco.
I originally strung Orientals through the leaf, the traditional way, but found that gusty wind would carry away about 10% of them. I now exclusively string them through the stem.
Your Bezuki has a more promising height than mine. Maybe I'm just impatient.
Bob
I originally strung Orientals through the leaf, the traditional way, but found that gusty wind would carry away about 10% of them. I now exclusively string them through the stem.
Your Bezuki has a more promising height than mine. Maybe I'm just impatient.
Bob
Brown Thumb
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Truly Amazing looking Patch. I can't keep Track of 12 types.
AmaxB
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Lord Knuckles where do you find the time? Looking really good your going to have a lot of deciding to do when it comes to smoking..
CT Tobaccoman
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Looks great, Knuck. Curing nice--yellow to brown. Nice oriental-big leaves.
CT Tobaccoman
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You have lots of great tobacco there, pal!!
Tell me, is "fire cured" actually burley or is a separate tobacco type? It looks a bit like Havana.
I'll get my digital camera next week while I make a trip to Conn. My MD 609 s looking real nice, good enough to show off.
CT
Tell me, is "fire cured" actually burley or is a separate tobacco type? It looks a bit like Havana.
I'll get my digital camera next week while I make a trip to Conn. My MD 609 s looking real nice, good enough to show off.
CT
Only one Besuki in the patch has budded and been bagged. The Besuki in the pot at the house has gone through the whole cycle and is now starting a sucker grow from the left over stalk. It got about 7 ft. tall. The ones in the patch are still pretty short. The one at the house only had about 10 seed pods, which were eaten by bud worms. I don't know how it happened, thus the sucker crop. I really want a lot of seed from the Besuki for the FTT seed bank and for seed swapping with members. I'll get them somehow.
While you can fire cure just about anything, there are classifications for the ones traditionally used for various curing methods. Flue Cure, Dark Air, Dark Fire, Dark Fire/Air and even Dark Sun. I'm really interested in sun curing the Dark Sun and see what it tastes like. These are the varieties I'm growing this year. 3-4 of each variety except for the Orientals, I grew several of each Oriental variety.
| Variety | PI | Class | Origin |
| N126 | burley | ||
| N777 | burley | ||
| N88 | burley | ||
| KY 908 | 596277 | burley | |
| VA 510 | burley | ||
| KY 10 | 552446 | burley | |
| N 7371 | burley | ||
| Harrow Velvet | 552650 | burley | |
| TN 86 | 552522 | burley | |
| 2B Resistant 142 (TI 1442) | 292195 | flue cure | Italy via Poland |
| Yellow Orinoko | 552783 | flue cure | |
| Speight G28 | 551318 | flue cure | |
| Speight G70 | 552497 | flue cure | |
| SP 172 | flue cure | ||
| Coker 176 | 551294 | flue cure | |
| Coker 319 | 552426 | flue cure | |
| NC 82 | 551311 | flue cure | |
| NC 95 | 552380 | flue cure | |
| Coker 371 Gold | 552524 | flue cure | |
| GL 737 | flue cure | ||
| K 149 | 549109 | flue cure | |
| NC 79 | 551310 | flue cure | |
| 120513 | 120513 | flue cure | Turkey |
| Hicks | 552373 | flue cure | |
| DT 518 | dark air | ||
| DT 592 | dark air | ||
| M&N | dark air | ||
| Vincent Harris Madole | 552773 | dark air | |
| Hastings | 552375 | dark air | |
| Little Sweet Orinoco | 552376 | dark air | |
| Lizard Tail Orinoco | dark air | ||
| Shirey | dark air | ||
| Small Stalk Black Mammoth | dark air | ||
| Walker's Broadleaf | 552374 | dark air | |
| VA 355 | 604198 | dark air | |
| Narrow Leaf Madole | 552710 | dark fire/air | |
| Little Crittenden | dark fire/air | ||
| TND 950 | dark fire | ||
| TR Madole (Tom Rosson) | 552764 | dark fire | |
| VA 409 | 552508 | dark sun | |
| VA 407 | 557005 | dark sun | |
| Eschly #1 | maryland | ||
| Pennbel 69 | 552404 | maryland | |
| Mack | maryland | ||
| Maryland 609 | 552452 | maryland | |
| Improved Narrow Leaf | maryland | ||
| Isleta Pueblo | rustica | ||
| Mahorka #6 Yellow #109 | rustica | Russia | |
| Nicotiana amplexicaulis | 271989 | other | Australia |
| Hacienda del Cura | filler | Canary Islands | |
| Amarillo Parado | 377898 | filler | Dominican Republic |
| Colombian Garcia | 405672 | filler | Honduras |
| La Palma Havana | filler | Canary Islands | |
| Criollo (Ti 1376 ) | 405646 | cigar | Cuba |
| 404935 | 404935 | cigar | Cuba |
| 404951 | 404951 | cigar | Cuba |
| #6055 | 405645 | cigar | Cuba |
| Coroja | 405643 | cigar | Cuba |
| Remedios | 405667 | cigar | Cuba |
| Little Cuba | 405669 | cigar | Cuba |
| 0-40 | wrapper | ||
| AST | 552585 | wrapper | Sumatra |
| Java Bezuki | wrapper | Java/Indonesia | |
| Timor | 405659 | wrapper | Java/Indonesia |
| Brasil Dunkel | wrapper | ||
| Tekkekoy | oriental | Turkey | |
| Krumovgrad 90 | oriental | Bulgaria | |
| Krumovgrad 988 | oriental | Bulgaria | |
| Prilep P66-9/7 | oriental | Macedonia | |
| Mutki | 494159 | oriental | Turkey |
| Izmir-Lebanese | oriental | Lebanon | |
| Japan 8 | oriental | Ukraine | |
| Visoka Marula | 286830 | oriental | |
| Adiyaman | 494145 | oriental | |
| Samsun-Canik Ti 1678 | 494160 | oriental | |
| Bitlis | hungarian | ||
| Duzce | 494152 | oriental | Turkey |
| Izmir-Ozbas | 494157 | oriental |
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CT Tobaccoman
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WOW. So many types!
That's the best way to learn, I guess--actually experience as many different tobaccos as you can. Your final conclusions will be interesting reading.
CT
That's the best way to learn, I guess--actually experience as many different tobaccos as you can. Your final conclusions will be interesting reading.
CT
This link takes you to the "Classification" area of the USDA's GRIN tobacco germplasm collection. You can look up accessions by Class: http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/desc.pl?81001
All the Classifications listed by GRIN are on this page. Note that these are the classifications of N. Tabacum. N. Rustica is different.
I sort of fell into it. Some other members and I received several (around 150?) varieties from the Nicotiana Project when Mr. Moats retired. Since they live up north and I have such a long grow season, they suckered me into grow outs. I've acquired several varieties by purchase through seed banks around the world, and I've acquired several varieties by gifts or swapping seed with other members from around the world. Most of the varieties I acquired had a total of around 100 seed per variety. I have somewhere between 350-400 different varieties in my personal seed bank. All varieties but around 50 need to be refreshed due to age, or the numbers increased for sharing. Deluxestogie claims my seed bank is larger than that of most countries. Some of them are 12 years old or older, so I'm refreshing some and increasing the numbers of others. I hope to donate 78 new varieties to the FTT seed bank this year for request by FTT members and swap and trade with other members to gain a few more. I think I was able to produce a little less than 40 new varieties last year for the FTT seed bank. Commercial growers are limited to very few varieties per year, and those are dictated to them by Big Tobacco. I think the preservation of the old varieties is now in the hands of the hobby growers, and I hope to help make as many of those varieties available as I possibly can. It's up to the hobby growers to save most of these varieties from extinction. Last year and this year have put the whuppin' on me. I'm bagging two plants of each variety and three of each of orientals. Next year I'm growing about 7 varieties just for leaf for myself. If I grow one single variety for seed I hope every member on this forum beats me senseless with green tobacco stalks. You all have my permission.
DGBAMA
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With that many to choose from, I bet you can't pick 10 or less next year.
2015 Grow List
Reams 158 flue cure
Costello Negro flue cure
TN 86 Burley
Maryland 609 Maryland
VA 355 Dark Air (or Shirey, to be determined by taste test)
Izmir-Ozbas Oriental
Prilep P66-9/7 Oriental
Ha! I plan ahead. lol
Mad Oshea
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That is not a beast! That is My daughter and hand muff! ( don't tell on Me) Now I see why the sun comes up and goes down in joy like I do. Tell Her that! My Wife is a babe like You have. Kudos!!Mad PS: and the little Muff too......
DGBAMA
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You may plan ahead, but you still have to be able to stick to the plan. Lol. Winter has a way of adding seeds to the "grow pile".
I need some vounteers. I'm too old for this shit. lol
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