TravisNTexas
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Very nice job Ron! That looks fantastic!
What did you smoke today?
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Very nice job Ron! That looks fantastic!
TravisNTexas
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Dude you have mad rolling skills!
I've posted this before. The size wrapper you need for a particular cigar dimension requires consideration of the wrapper's length, width and vein angle.
A long and narrow wrapper leaf, such as Little Dutch (with a sharp vein angle), will wrap a long and narrow stogie more easily than will a typical wrapper variety that has a square (90º) vein angle. (The diagram contains an error. To get ring gauge, multiply the measured max width--in inches--by 64, rather than 60.) The max length line is parallel to the veins. The max width line is at a right angle to the veins.
So, a wrapper with a 90º vein angle will be capable of wrapping a cigar that is no longer than the width of that half-leaf, whereas an increasing vein angle takes advantage of the length of the half-leaf.
Bob
A long and narrow wrapper leaf, such as Little Dutch (with a sharp vein angle), will wrap a long and narrow stogie more easily than will a typical wrapper variety that has a square (90º) vein angle. (The diagram contains an error. To get ring gauge, multiply the measured max width--in inches--by 64, rather than 60.) The max length line is parallel to the veins. The max width line is at a right angle to the veins.
So, a wrapper with a 90º vein angle will be capable of wrapping a cigar that is no longer than the width of that half-leaf, whereas an increasing vein angle takes advantage of the length of the half-leaf.
Bob
Chris A
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Scraps from my scrap bag with one leaf Habano Viso, one leaf of my Machu Pichu bound and wrapped with Dixie and Bezuki from Bar G I believe. An excellent smoke. Been in my humidor for a couple months. Kinda forgot about these. Thanks to Bar G for the sample.
I have beem rolling and smoking this kit also but mine didnt have the CT wrapper it has the Ecuador shade wrapper. I dont have ant CT to compare it to but i like the taste.
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I managed to derive something from this: I probably can't roll a stick that is longer than the widest point on the half-leaf. Actually I can because I'm not too hung up on the veins being longitudinal to the cylinder; but what's really helpful to me about this is that it allows me to quickly understand how I need to arrange my half-leaves in a double-binder situation for the intended length stick. Whether or not this is a correct interpretation and use of the above chart, it does work for me in this fashion. So thanks. 
I've posted this before. The size wrapper you need for a particular cigar dimension requires consideration of the wrapper's length, width and vein angle.
A long and narrow wrapper leaf, such as Little Dutch (with a sharp vein angle), will wrap a long and narrow stogie more easily than will a typical wrapper variety that has a square (90º) vein angle. (The diagram contains an error. To get ring gauge, multiply the measured max width--in inches--by 64, rather than 60.) The max length line is parallel to the veins. The max width line is at a right angle to the veins.
So, a wrapper with a 90º vein angle will be capable of wrapping a cigar that is no longer than the width of that half-leaf, whereas an increasing vein angle takes advantage of the length of the half-leaf.
Bob
I admit that interpreting the graphic is not intuitive. I apologize for that. I had realized for some time that I could just look at a specific wrapper half-leaf, and have a sense of the size cigar it could accommodate. One day, I decided to quantify the leaf characteristics that make a difference in what it can wrap. I suppose that an animation would be more informative. The "max width" line should actually be labeled "max circumference," but who thinks of circumference when talking about the thickness of a cigar? It's still confusing, and I personally don't actually do any measuring or calculating, when I wrap a cigar. It's more like knowing how much filling to put into a certain size ravioli dough or enchilada wrap.
Bob
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buck
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Rolled this up last night straight from the kiln after letting the leaves dry out a bit.
1/2 leaf Olor ligero
1/2 leaf Pa Red Seco
1/2 leaf Jalapa viso
Wasn't expecting much out of it, it was squishy, sloppily rolled and fermentation was what I thought a failure due uneven curing.
The Jalapa had a very leathery odor the others a more musty odor with slight fruity/bread notes (similar to pre-kilned leaf).
Cold draw indicated lots of spice, not much fruitiness some bread dough notes..
I just smoked it a few minutes ago.
The first draw ... tongue burn, slight throat burn, due to harshness I thought but then bang huge spice bomb filling my whole mouth and back of the throat burn... lasted well into the next draw, Felt like I had just put a teaspoon of black pepper in my mouth or more like cayenne or cinnamon heat without the flavor. Beyond the intense heat there were notes of toasted bread and slight fruitiness. Left my lips and mouth slick.
On my last draw that pepper remained on my palate for at least 15 minutes and I still feel it a bit now, smoked it to the nub.
I can't compare it to anything I've smoked before, I didn't hate it and I don't know what to make of it, still processing the experience.
I'm going to have to roll puros of each leaf to see where that spice and other flavors are coming from.
1/2 leaf Olor ligero
1/2 leaf Pa Red Seco
1/2 leaf Jalapa viso
Wasn't expecting much out of it, it was squishy, sloppily rolled and fermentation was what I thought a failure due uneven curing.
The Jalapa had a very leathery odor the others a more musty odor with slight fruity/bread notes (similar to pre-kilned leaf).
Cold draw indicated lots of spice, not much fruitiness some bread dough notes..
I just smoked it a few minutes ago.
The first draw ... tongue burn, slight throat burn, due to harshness I thought but then bang huge spice bomb filling my whole mouth and back of the throat burn... lasted well into the next draw, Felt like I had just put a teaspoon of black pepper in my mouth or more like cayenne or cinnamon heat without the flavor. Beyond the intense heat there were notes of toasted bread and slight fruitiness. Left my lips and mouth slick.
On my last draw that pepper remained on my palate for at least 15 minutes and I still feel it a bit now, smoked it to the nub.
I can't compare it to anything I've smoked before, I didn't hate it and I don't know what to make of it, still processing the experience.
I'm going to have to roll puros of each leaf to see where that spice and other flavors are coming from.
Buck, give it a few days rest before jumping to any conclusions. It will change.
buck
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I'm not complaining, just really unexpected and it was actually quite smokable. The spice needs to mellow out a lot but it wasn't a bad experience, I was not expecting such intensity. I'm kind of excited a bit and will roll more when I get home .
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Smokin Harley
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Smokin' Harley "Bobber" in a toro ,which is what I call my leaf scrap (short filler)cigars.
the filler was a varied proportion of foot cuts,wrapper and binder cut offs, and any leaf that fails to make it in a long filler stick-
Criollo98
Corojo (wrapper)
Dominican
Ecuador Maduro (wrapper)
with a piece of San Vicente stuck in the middle
Corojo binder (main rib side wrapper leaf)
wrapper in this particular stick was Java Besuki
when I mixed up my fruit pectin glue I added about 25% raw honey and applied that to the edge of the wrapper leaf the whole way up.
gave the entire cigar a nice sweet hint yet the rest of the flavors came in mildly and smoothly.
the filler was a varied proportion of foot cuts,wrapper and binder cut offs, and any leaf that fails to make it in a long filler stick-
Criollo98
Corojo (wrapper)
Dominican
Ecuador Maduro (wrapper)
with a piece of San Vicente stuck in the middle
Corojo binder (main rib side wrapper leaf)
wrapper in this particular stick was Java Besuki
when I mixed up my fruit pectin glue I added about 25% raw honey and applied that to the edge of the wrapper leaf the whole way up.
gave the entire cigar a nice sweet hint yet the rest of the flavors came in mildly and smoothly.
romanko
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Last night I enjoyed a few bowls of my latest (and first) attempt at blending - 2 parts Del Gold, 1 part Havana 608 - both air cured, the 608 is aged 2 years and the del gold is from 2014.
Very nice, tasted almost like chocolate covered fruit, the body was sweet rounded out with the 608's cigar flavour.
I call it Havana Gold
Very nice, tasted almost like chocolate covered fruit, the body was sweet rounded out with the 608's cigar flavour.
I call it Havana Gold
Last night I enjoyed a new blend for me.
webmost and waikikigun mentioned this blend in a thread, and said chocolate and cream.
They were not kidding. chocolate and cream. I had a few room notes of leather as well, but it all flowed nicely.
This will be rolled again for sure. I may do some trials of using sumatra for binder, or as waikikigun suggested a strip of Corojo for some spice, but it was definitely good as is.
Criollo 98 Seco 2 leaf
Criollo 98 Ligero 2leaf
Habano 2000 Binder andWrapper
webmost and waikikigun mentioned this blend in a thread, and said chocolate and cream.
They were not kidding. chocolate and cream. I had a few room notes of leather as well, but it all flowed nicely.
This will be rolled again for sure. I may do some trials of using sumatra for binder, or as waikikigun suggested a strip of Corojo for some spice, but it was definitely good as is.
Criollo 98 Seco 2 leaf
Criollo 98 Ligero 2leaf
Habano 2000 Binder andWrapper
charlie G.
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Looks good Lew. By the look of that ash you did a great job rolling it.
I will have to give that blend a try, the only problem is I don't have any Habano 2000. I might try it as an all criollo 98 puro. I have some criollo wrapper.
I will have to give that blend a try, the only problem is I don't have any Habano 2000. I might try it as an all criollo 98 puro. I have some criollo wrapper.
Smokin Harley
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Looks great Lew. Chocolate you say?? yum.
Had an Oliva Masters Blend 3 Robusto last night.
I have had this thing resting in my Humi over a year, and I must say it was a bit of a disappointment.
I've had them before, and enjoyed, but they were younger.
This one had more than 6 re-lights and an awful uneven burn.
I should of just let it fall at the 3rd relight, but I was stubborn.
But it was a beautiful night out, so I didn't let the stick spoil the evening.
I have had this thing resting in my Humi over a year, and I must say it was a bit of a disappointment.
I've had them before, and enjoyed, but they were younger.
This one had more than 6 re-lights and an awful uneven burn.
I should of just let it fall at the 3rd relight, but I was stubborn.
But it was a beautiful night out, so I didn't let the stick spoil the evening.
Had a La Duena last night.
Very nice smoke. Quite enjoyable.
Looking up the liner notes for the cigar they list:
Connecticut Broadleaf maduro wrapper
core of Connecticut Broadleaf and Nicaraguan long-fillers
So, what does it mean Connecticut Broadleaf? I am guessing they are referencing the seed?
So, by that, what are they trying to imply with the general reference. i.e. when the name Connecticut Broadleaf is used, what does it make you think of? Aroma / Taste / Texture etc.
On WLT, the only Connecticut listed is the shade wrapper, but the description is on the line of the wrapper quality / look rather than taste, and heck this wrapper may have nothing to do with my Connecticut Broadleaf question.
As always, thanks for your insight.
Pic of this pretty stick. Yeah it was a nubber too.
Very nice smoke. Quite enjoyable.
Looking up the liner notes for the cigar they list:
Connecticut Broadleaf maduro wrapper
core of Connecticut Broadleaf and Nicaraguan long-fillers
So, what does it mean Connecticut Broadleaf? I am guessing they are referencing the seed?
So, by that, what are they trying to imply with the general reference. i.e. when the name Connecticut Broadleaf is used, what does it make you think of? Aroma / Taste / Texture etc.
On WLT, the only Connecticut listed is the shade wrapper, but the description is on the line of the wrapper quality / look rather than taste, and heck this wrapper may have nothing to do with my Connecticut Broadleaf question.
As always, thanks for your insight.
Pic of this pretty stick. Yeah it was a nubber too.
charlie G.
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I smoked one of the 2 new blend cigars I rolled last week. A 52-rg X 6 in
3-pilotto Seco (these were smaller leaves from the recent batch)
1 1/2- Pilotto Viso (they are small leaves)
1/4- Meta Fina
Dbl piloto binder
with a San Andreas Wrapper
The first one was a winner. We will see how the next one tastes in a day or two more time on it.
I broke down this week end and bought a 5 pack of "Avanti" anisette flavored stogies just for old time sake.
3-pilotto Seco (these were smaller leaves from the recent batch)
1 1/2- Pilotto Viso (they are small leaves)
1/4- Meta Fina
Dbl piloto binder
with a San Andreas Wrapper
The first one was a winner. We will see how the next one tastes in a day or two more time on it.
I broke down this week end and bought a 5 pack of "Avanti" anisette flavored stogies just for old time sake.
Ben Brand
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Lew that's a pretty cigar!!! Iv`e started rolling with my scraps, off cuts, and find it quite easy, and the cigars are damn nice, each one a slight different taste. I might roll all my cigars with short filler!!!
It is a pretty stick I will agree, but to be clear, that was a purchased stick, made by the daughter of Don Garcia. La Duena
Just want to make sure I am not taking credit for others work.
I roll my scraps with a 120mm rolling machine. It works great keeping the short filler in its place.
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