waikikigun
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Lol. After six years we have my new favorite deluxestogie sentence.
Pics of your sticks!! 2021
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Cosmetically, this needs a binder to remove the bumpiness of the filler. Functionally, this is smoking wonderfully without a binder. The CV Black ligero makes a beautiful maduro/oscuro wrapper, and provides a dry, pepperiness to the taste.
Bob
Cosmetically, this needs a binder to remove the bumpiness of the filler. Functionally, this is smoking wonderfully without a binder. The CV Black ligero makes a beautiful maduro/oscuro wrapper, and provides a dry, pepperiness to the taste.
Bob
I like it Bob! I’m digging that Ligero myself. I’ve seen a few leaf that look like nice binder quality leaf. How’s the burn?
Good burn. I had never paid any attention to the grade of the CV Black ligero, since I was simply using it as a condiment in my filler blend. For this one, I just reached into the bag, and took out the leaf on the top of the stack. It was too small to grade as binder, but it had few holes. So it got nominated to be wrapper.
Bob
Biglizard1
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Been absent for a bit.. work has been overwhelming. Had to take some time and roll some today while no one but me home. It makes for a nice enjoyable quiet time.
CV Corojo 2006 Ligero
Peru seco
CV PA binder, these are very small compared to the PA binders.
And some sample Ecuador Los Rio wrappers.
Don't mind the shaggy feet, still have to trim some
CV Corojo 2006 Ligero
Peru seco
CV PA binder, these are very small compared to the PA binders.
And some sample Ecuador Los Rio wrappers.
Don't mind the shaggy feet, still have to trim some
Snowblithe
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Hobbit cigars?
MarcL
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5.8 X 52 from the center, Pelo d’Oro Ligero , Criollo 98 Viso , Pelo d’Oro Seco , Criollo 98 Seco fillers. Vuelta Abajo binders with, Ecuador Los Rios Wrappers.
They are easier to light when shaggy anyway!
willgodwin
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I've just about smoked through all of these by now. A mix of Peru Seco and Ligero and Pilato Cubano Viso. These had Cameroon binder and another 10 I made had Sumatra binder. All 20 had Ec. Habano wrapper.
48 rg.
Consensus: I had high hopes for the Peru tobacco, but was super super spicy. I give a lot, maybe half of my smokes away. Not these. I smoked a good number of these off the table or after a few days drying. Another half of these, smoked after drying from a week. still real spicy and retrohaling gave my the shivers, LOL. I stuck the 15 remaining in a humidor (tupper-dor) at 62%humidity and smoked some of those. Meh.
Then I stuck the remaining 10 or so in a 69% humidor (tupper-dor also) and let them sit for a couple weeks. Wow. totally changed, smooth and flavorful, a little spice but not much.
There is a cigar called the Inca Secret Blend that is a Peruvian puro that I love. The Peruvian tobacco from here, WLT, at first was not remotely in the ballpark of the taste or aroma of the Inca. but after some time in the 69%, it definitely got in that Peruvian Inca puro ballpark. The 100% Seco, 100% ligero and 50/50 Seco ligero blend were best by far.
I've been trying to roll as dry leaf as possible. Definitely smoked some naaaasty cigars my first 75 or so. to wet, mildew and whatever...
Also, the Pilato Cubano Viso did no favors to any of the gars. Dulled everything down quite a bit. burning wet newspaper. delish...
About the Habano wrapper, not sure if this rings true, but it did not burn well. (bought from a small retailer near me) I saw Noel Rojas of Rojas Cigars at a rolling/cigar event just before I made the jump into rolling and he said you gotta wait 45 days minimum to smoke a fresh rolled cigar (no patience for that! And some are freaking delicious right off the table) and if using a habano wrapper, wait at least 60 days before smoking. Just his words, not sure if that would help the burn issues at all, but thought I would just mention for discussion sake.
I realized I had no patience for placing bands on my cigars, so I've been writing out the blends before hand and after I finish wrapping the cigars, I write out 1-10, cut squares out, put some cigar glue on the back of the number and stick it on the cigar, keep the reference sheet in the humidor with the cigars, cross reference as I pull one out to smoke. Happy with that process.
48 rg.
Consensus: I had high hopes for the Peru tobacco, but was super super spicy. I give a lot, maybe half of my smokes away. Not these. I smoked a good number of these off the table or after a few days drying. Another half of these, smoked after drying from a week. still real spicy and retrohaling gave my the shivers, LOL. I stuck the 15 remaining in a humidor (tupper-dor) at 62%humidity and smoked some of those. Meh.
Then I stuck the remaining 10 or so in a 69% humidor (tupper-dor also) and let them sit for a couple weeks. Wow. totally changed, smooth and flavorful, a little spice but not much.
There is a cigar called the Inca Secret Blend that is a Peruvian puro that I love. The Peruvian tobacco from here, WLT, at first was not remotely in the ballpark of the taste or aroma of the Inca. but after some time in the 69%, it definitely got in that Peruvian Inca puro ballpark. The 100% Seco, 100% ligero and 50/50 Seco ligero blend were best by far.
I've been trying to roll as dry leaf as possible. Definitely smoked some naaaasty cigars my first 75 or so. to wet, mildew and whatever...
Also, the Pilato Cubano Viso did no favors to any of the gars. Dulled everything down quite a bit. burning wet newspaper. delish...
About the Habano wrapper, not sure if this rings true, but it did not burn well. (bought from a small retailer near me) I saw Noel Rojas of Rojas Cigars at a rolling/cigar event just before I made the jump into rolling and he said you gotta wait 45 days minimum to smoke a fresh rolled cigar (no patience for that! And some are freaking delicious right off the table) and if using a habano wrapper, wait at least 60 days before smoking. Just his words, not sure if that would help the burn issues at all, but thought I would just mention for discussion sake.
I realized I had no patience for placing bands on my cigars, so I've been writing out the blends before hand and after I finish wrapping the cigars, I write out 1-10, cut squares out, put some cigar glue on the back of the number and stick it on the cigar, keep the reference sheet in the humidor with the cigars, cross reference as I pull one out to smoke. Happy with that process.
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Mathaious12
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Finally got all my leaf back into case. Corojo seco, visit, ligero, and wrapper Connecticut binder.
MarcL
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5.8 X 52 from the center, CV Corojo Viso , Criollo 98 Viso , CV PA Seco fillers. CV PA Seco and Vuelta Abajo binders with, Ecuador Bronceado Wrappers.
A couple test blends I burned up today since the lady of the house is out of town. Testing out different binders. I will say the Sumatra binder with the Los Rios Wrapper with a little Peruvian filler... not too shabby!
MarcL
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5.8 X 52 from the center, ASP ligero , Condega Seco 2014 , Condega Seco 2015 fillers. Vuelta Abajo and Olor binders with, CV Corojo Oscuro Wrappers.
5.8 X 52 from the center, ASP ligero , Condega Seco 2014 , Condega Seco 2015 fillers. Vuelta Abajo and Olor binders with, CV Corojo Oscuro Wrappers.
How did these taste once you got to enjoying them? Sounds like a nice robust blend with some top notch flavors.
Patience... definitely what I find the most enjoyable (at the moment) about this journey. I had long time cigar buddy and Marine who tossed together choices for a Wrapper, Binder, and 1 Ligero. The rest he left up to me... So, I decided to put together 5 blends. 5 sticks of each blend = (2 round cap + 2 Torpedos + 1 left over scrap stick Of each blend wrapped in newspaper stips). I’ve rushed trying to case certain types of leaf to fit to “my schedule” and took a step back here. I cased binder for 1 1/2-2 days, rotating leaf every few hours. Rolled up the 25 on the 2nd day of “binder cased day” and added filler right from the bags (no casing). The dolls in the molds have been left for 2 days in the molds, while rotating a few times throughout. Popped them out of the molds and are resting like they are now to dry up a little more. I have a thick wrapper leaf that’s been casing over the weekend.
Day 1- spray sides of plastic grocery bag and put wrapper leaf in, while trying to flatten some.
Day 2- flatten the leaf more and fold in half with center vein still intact.
Day 3- I stripped out the center vein and made two stacks. Flattening the leaf more and stacking with like sides.
Night 3- Day 4- spray sides of the bag and continue to rotate the wrapper leaf and flatten.
Day 5 or 6?- Today time to start wrapping. May take a day or two.
*An item of note: I didn’t spray any water directly on the wrapper leaf while casing. Just in the plastic grocery bag used for casing.
Overall, enjoying the time getting out in each day to understand further how casing some leaf longer can make a worlds difference. Not to mention that this is a little project for a BOTL who serves our country. So... fingers crossed, but I’m not going to stress too much. The daily consistency of understanding and learning is worth its weight in gold.
Happy Monday All!
MarcL
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Yeah I have burned this blend minus the olor when I first got the ASP and it was worthy for sure. I can remember some spice but these were due to having some left over Vuelta Abajo binders cased. they will set for a while.
May need to try to mimic the blend as close as I can. Sounds like an interesting combo just thinking about it.
GreenDragon
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5.8 X 52 from the center, ASP ligero , Condega Seco 2014 , Condega Seco 2015 fillers. Vuelta Abajo and Olor binders with, CV Corojo Oscuro Wrappers.
How are you using the offset spatula in your rolling technique? I'm intrigued!
MarcL
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So, conveniently when I'm using a small amount of glue.
I make glue one ounce at a time and keep it in the fridge. If I'm using more glue at a time I have a mason jar lid taped to the piece of 2 by 4 mounted to the tuck cutter where I can smear the small amount needed at a time out of the dollop on said lid.
The same move with the offset spatula where I can smear the small amount needed at a time out of the dollop from the tip.
My palm lays on the handle as it sets on the board where my index finger takes the little bit.
The glue is thick like tooth paste and dries fast and if it dries out I put a drop of water to it. 8 to 1
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