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Garry, the first time I saw your photos I thought that you're growing tobacco around an archeological site because of marbels, roughly shaped rocks and a old style crown molding like stone. But I remembered that this is your working place.
Most of the Orientals grow fast and good, including Bursa. You may want to grow more of them next year.
 

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Thanks, most of them are lamps, which is what people want, One, though was some red onix, and the light does not show thru, so I never made it into a lamp, it is a "storage" container,..I am using it for all my toppings,and sucker leaves, seems to be working out pretty good, even left out in the sun, it takes a couple of weeks for them to start getting dry, I keep adding fresh cuttings, so it has been staying pretty humid, ..... First I had some, older "cuttings", that finally did dry, more or less, they were a little green, but not much, and perfect "case" ( I guess is the correct term), just right for rolling a cigarette, and smelled pretty good really, since I am running very low on "cured" tobacco, figured what the heck, so I rolled a smoke, and it was not bad, did not stay lit very well , it did kind of have a taste like just any old dried leaves,..but not to much, there also all ready was a definite tobacco flavor, bite,...one might say "harsh", but I would say "strong",...a few puffs, to get it burning good, then one to inhale, then another, I liked it, though, it went out, so I lit it again, smoked a little more, and I was "very satisfied", and had a smile on my face, so with half the cigarette, still remaining, I let it go out. I was on my way to lunch when I smoked it, which is normal, when I go to lunch, I enjoy a smoke, on my way,...then I eat, and of course after dinner, I enjoy a smoke, so after I ate, I smoked the other half, same thing, I was very satisfied, as far as nicotine goes, and actually it did not taste that bad, in fact, I liked it so much I was very tempted to just start smoking that, instead of the cured tobacco I have, ..but then I decided, better, keep it curing more, and adding more cuttings to the "jar", I think in a few months I will have some pretty good "smoke" in that stone jar,..it holds about 4 quarts, if it was full, and the content "dry", it would be about 1/4 lb,...It appears, even if the rustica drys out some, and is still green, if it is kept moist, or made moist again, it still advances in the curing process, my first experiments with this, but in a glass jar, failed, it all rotted, but I am sure now, it was cause it was too wet,...The idea is, by the time the good leaves are ready, I should understand what kind of humidity and temperature, and air combination I need to let them cure nicely,.. kind of excited though, now, cause I think I am figuring it out,..I have the "shower room" all ready to start hanging the leaves, when they are ready, it will be similar to a very large version of the stone jar, but instead of a lid, the door and window, will be kept shut,.. the shower room is cement and concrete block, which makes it easy to keep the humidity up, and control,..it would be interesting to get a thermometer,and humidity gauge,... I have found too, at night, or on days when it is cooler, by leaving the light on, it keeps it quite warm,..my guess 85 - 90 degrees, based on what BarG had said, in Brazos Valley, all though he did not say exactly where, but I am familiar with the area, the humidty , etc. I can tell just by stepping inside the shower room, how it feels, .. I will need to be carefull and keep it clean, or it will start getting mold,and stinking to high heaven, normally with the window open, and the air going thru, it stays to dry, for any mold or mildew,...also I can leave it open, and let it "air out" if needed, then close it up again, let the water run, hot or cold, depnding,..to get the humidity back up again,..things look like they may just work out ok, after all.
 

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Here is some photos, to update, thing are looking better now:
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This is my best looking Nicotiana Rustica, it is not very big yet, but leafy,and well fromed, healthy, wish I could get them all to be like this.

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Below is my "curing Jar", for cuttings,small leaves,flower buds,etc
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I really like that curing jar.

You seem to be in a difficult area for growing tobacco. I'm pleased to see the way you overcome adversity and keep working at improving your grow. The first year is always the most difficult. I think you will learn enough this year to make some adjustments and have a more successful season next year. Way to keep at it.
 

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I really like that curing jar.

You seem to be in a difficult area for growing tobacco. I'm pleased to see the way you overcome adversity and keep working at improving your grow. The first year is always the most difficult. I think you will learn enough this year to make some adjustments and have a more successful season next year. Way to keep at it.

The curing jar is really something. Nice stone carved agate! That's hard stuff! Great plants!
 

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Garry, I think your plants have come a long way. They look good. Like Knucks said, you will learn a lot this year.keep up the good work.
 

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Thanks,
I am really enjoying this, working with the plants, here is some recent photos , mostly of the Bursa, I recently ran out of tobacco, But some of the rustica I had drying and curing, well, it is a little "green", but I am smoking some, have a bunch more rustica seedlings started, I like it, it is a very interesting plant,...will talk more about that later,..kind of in a hurry right now, but wanted to share these photos.
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The Bursa is mixed in with the rustica, but is a lot younger, they only have 2 months, the rustica has about ,4 1/2 months,...
Ok, well I need to go do some "gardening",.. take care every one, and hope everyone is have good grows.
Edited:, These were taken 2 weeks ago, of some of the rustica cuttings, tops,suckers,etc. They are curing nicely, ...the amazing thing with the rustica, the more I prune, the more leaves and buds it produces, it looks like I am going to get a lot more tobacco from these plants then I thought, even though they look small, they keep growing new leaves, sort of like the "magic pot of oatmeal",...
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You are definitely making the most of what you have. A few of those Bursa look especially nice. Will be interested to hear your impression of how the Rustica smokes, especially with little/no aging.
 

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You are definitely making the most of what you have. A few of those Bursa look especially nice. Will be interested to hear your impression of how the Rustica smokes, especially with little/no aging.
Well, it is strong, it does not stay lit very well, the "green taste", did go away, it is more of a cigar like flavor, I was carefull, and went thru, picking out only the small leaves or buds that have turned dark brown, or almost a purpleish colour, I am sure it will be much better, when properly aged, in fact I would rather wait, but at least at the moment I have something,...Where I had been buying tobacco, seems they have run out, ..and at this time I do not have the money to buy "ready mades",... A guy here in Mexico, sent me 1 lb, but it has not yet arrived, hoping tomorrow it does get here.
This is a photo of some bigger leaves, they are curing nicely,..
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These are some photos, of some of the plants that I moved, and where I am going to be planting more, the plants I moved had been in the shade, and never grew very much, they surrvived the transplant well, because of the age of the plants they have a very strong root system, I expect they will take off now that they are in full sun,..time will tell,
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This area used to be the sheep corals, they built new ones, and moved the sheep to the new corals,..there is a huge pile of manure, on this end, it is about 5 years old (the manure),..the other end, is close to the new corals, and that is to fresh,..
The "Agave americana", or "century plants", to the right, is what we use to make "booze", "soltal", it is different the mezcal or tequilla, in that it is fermented, like wine,not distilled, not as strong, but also they do make tequilla and mezcal from the same plant.
 

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I can not decide, should I cut these tops, ? I want as much seed as possible from this plant, some of the pods have turned brown, but some are still green, but pretty big,.... the thing of it is I am also worried about these little black "beetles", they seem to show up, about the time the seed pods are brown, and eat holes into the pod, and later there is no seeds inside,...my feelings are to cut the top before they "steal" the seeds,..?????
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Hey Gary if you are worried about the beetles and want seed.you need to bag them to keep them out I used mosquito netting last year it worked real good also works well for.cleaning seed
 

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Once the pods are fully formed, the seed head can be removed and hung indoors to finish drying.. I did this with a bunch of mine last year to avoid frost. The seeds turned out fine.
 

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I'm surprised you are not bagging your seed heads. As hard as tobacco seed is to get down there. I would think you'd go the extra mile to make sure the varieties didn't cross up and botch up your whole seed bank. Keep the varieties pure. Nobody wants crossed up seed. I don't want any. If you want to participate in the seed swap thread at the end of the year, and hope to have any takers, bag those seed heads. And show pictures. :)
 
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Ok, at this point, the Rustica is the only variety I have that is flowering, and there is no one near me, growing anything,....
The Bursa, will probably start flowering in about a month,
Nobody wants crossed up seed. I don't want any. If you want to participate in the seed swap thread at the end of the year, and have any takers, bag those seed heads.
When the Bursa starts gettting some flowers, I will be protecting them (bag them), Like wise, if there are any rustica still flowering, and probably there will be, I will bag them.
I have a few Chilean, and some Maryland609, but these are still just seedlings, about 4 weeks old, so not a issue yet.
I am wondering though, Nicotiana Rustica, is the rustica, Bursa is, ???? Nictotiana Tabacom or what ?, Can they even cross ?....
 
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