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...very nice wrapper idea. I've been using tuck cuttings as packing peanuts in all my send-outs the last few years, but this wrapper would be next level. It's like a Leaf by Oscar four-pack.
Just in terms of geometry, a cluster of cigars has the shortest wrapping circumference if they are in a bundle (4 as a square, or more as a circle, the same as a cigar wheel). I chose the clumsy approach of laying them flat, in order to fit inside a small flat-rate Priority Mail box. Even as a meager square pile, they wouldn't fit. What that means is that when you pick up a wrapped bundle that is not assembled in the tightest formation, it wants to shift around, and fall apart. Hence my need to lay the four, flat-wrapped cigars (carefully) into a flat, poly-nylon bag, to help maintain its geometrically incorrect shape.

Ha! And everybody says (in 9th grade) that learning geometry is stupid, and that you'll never really use it. Or was that calculus?

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Editorial Comment on Big Cigars

If I am smoking a cigar on my porch, and I am alone, I often smoke a big cigar. By that, I mean a fat, long, tapered honker. Since I smoke a cigar immediately after rolling it (no glue to dry), a small cigar means that I run out of cigar sooner, and will have to roll another one.

If any other living human will see me smoking my cigar, I become self-conscious about the size of the cigar. People (even non-smokers) have expectations about how big is too big for a civilized cigar.

Social issues aside, a fatter cigar cross-section results in cooler smoke, a larger volume of smoke per puff, and generally an easier draw. I find that more relaxing. That having been said, a thinner cigar will tame overly potent tobacco. (Imagine a 58 ring Toscano.) If the blend is really strong...really strong, then a short, narrow cigar is usually more enjoyable for me.

[I recall ten years ago, walking into a Walmart store with an unlit, 4-1/2" x 50 maduro cigar in my mouth. I had purchased it shortly before that, didn't have a shirt pocket, and didn't want to leave it in a hot car while I shopped. The number of fellow shoppers who showed the whites of their eyes, upon noticing my cigar, numbered in the dozens. Some felt compelled to comment to me directly. "Damn, that's a big cigar!" "I hope you don't plan to light that thing in here." Wives elbowed their husbands to turn and look. Mothers drew their children close. My little robusto had shocked their sensibilities. I suppose most had never seen any non-drug store cigar. But everyone (us included) has a notion of how big is too big.]

The 18" x 60 Cuba Aliados General that my brother gave me in 1997 was too big. It began to fall apart after smoking only about a foot of it.

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As you can see, they were sold in boxes of 1.

Bob

Look at this gem.

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It's been a lot of years, but I believe the General that I smoked was wrapped in a lighter EMS wrapper than the Chief. In the end, both died in the battle. I'm sure they were the same basic cigar. Do you think Rolando Sr. had a custom mold made for that?

I just looked at the auction site. A bit pricey. HOWEVER, if someone is interested in making a glorious end table out of it, that would something. Ask a cabinet maker to create the table with an open frame at the top, fitted to the removable (and unharmed) Puros Indios sampler. (It looks as though the inset in the lid is a rectangular through-cut holding a glued-in standard box lid.)

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If you have an intact Mata Fina leaf that can serve as a wrapper, you can duplicate the Brazilian cigars from 40 years ago by making a Mata Fina puro. As a wrapper, it is quite potent. I suspect that is why nearly all the old time Brazilian puros were constructed as short, narrow panatellas. The Suerdieck Caballeros (hand made in Bahia) were about 5" x 30, which works out well for not only the strength, but the diminutive size of the leaf as a wrapper. They even made a version with a paper tube bit inserted into the end, and held in place by the wrapper.

Bob
 

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A veritable wealth of information, Bob ... thanks! :)

I've been mixing Mata Fina with Piloto Cubano Ligero and Seco in Besuki binders, no wrapper ... makes a nice spicy stick with light cedar notes.
 

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I have a couple pounds right now and have been using it as filler ... just haven't considered it as a binder.

I have the Mata Fina filler and the Mata Fina binder. They are very different in structure. The binder is thin and stretchy. If it didn't have holes, it would be a good wrapper.
 

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I have the Mata Fina filler and the Mata Fina binder. They are very different in structure. The binder is thin and stretchy. If it didn't have holes, it would be a good wrapper.

Mine is definitely the filler but I can work one out to be a binder most likely ... worth a try! :)

-Darin
 
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