Pics of your sticks!! 2022

[tullius]

Not optimum glue mucks the best of us up, had the same problem myself last rolling session. If it's not right, puts a damper on things

 

[FrostD]

Not optimum glue mucks the best of us up, had the same problem myself last rolling session. If it's not right, puts a damper on things

Agreed. My problem was that it was too watered down. Added some more glue and a few more spritz of distilled water. Stirred up with my handy dandy toothpick, then let it sit overnight. Next morning, a lot better consistency.

 

[tullius]

Yep, I like mine to be a fairly viscous gel, and it has to sit at least overnight to get that way. I'm using Bermocoll in various grades: 230, 320, 481, and 1000.

320 seems to be the best. The rest work fine, you just have to vary the hydration

 

[AromatiX]

Test blend for a Diesel type PAbl type blend, Some of the CV PA Broadleaf make a cheap and decent wrapper.

 

[FrostD]

Some WLT Cameroon wrapped Triple Dominican Ligeros! Onto wrapper variation 3/4!

 

[SlamFire]

36x6 Mexican San Andres puros. First time withWLT Mex SanAndres, much different smell than other San Andres available, rolled with LO and TLS San Andres and those are identical, but this must be from a. different farm, greater tensile strength, crazier smell and a tad darker. I like what I'm rolling with so far!

Those cigars have fantastic construction and the WLT San Andres is a tasty wrapper... One question - how did you deal with the pronounced veins in the wrapper? Your cigars don't show any excessive veins on the surface. Thanks, Jeff.

 

[SlamFire]

Yep, I like mine to be a fairly viscous gel, and it has to sit at least overnight to get that way. I'm using Bermocoll in various grades: 230, 320, 481, and 1000.

320 seems to be the best. The rest work fine, you just have to vary the hydration

@tullius, what is the difference between the grades?

 

[willgodwin]

Those cigars have fantastic construction and the WLT San Andres is a tasty wrapper... One question - how did you deal with the pronounced veins in the wrapper? Your cigars don't show any excessive veins on the surface. Thanks, Jeff.

Hey thanks! I couldn’t remember off the top of my head, but I found and opened a box of these that I had rolled and took a look.


I think since these gars were so small, I was able to use the outer edge pretty well, where the vines had really dissipated at that point in the leaf. There are some viens here and there, and I didn’t avoid them or grade the leaf before rolling, I just got a great batch of San Andrés. Can’t take any credit for that!

 

[deluxestogie]

Your box of cigars looks wonderful. (They may eventually mold at 69% RH.)

Bob

 

[willgodwin]

Your box of cigars looks wonderful. (They may eventually mold at 69% RH.)

Bob

Thank you!
Ah, I'll drop down to 65 or 62rh...

 

[tullius]

@willgodwin beautiful box of cigars, and 69 should be just fine in my experience. Where did you source those nice labels?

 

[tullius]

@tullius, what is the difference between the grades?

That's fairly complex, but for cigar rolling purposes, we're mainly interested in viscosity. From the manufacturer:

Viscosity at 20 °C (Brookfield LV), % solution​

• 230, 2% solution: 260-360 mPa.s
• 320, 2% solution: 1850-2650 mPa.s
• 481, 1% solution: 4250-6000 mPa.s
• 1000, 1% solution: 500-900 mPa.s

Bermocoll is basically high grade tasteless non-toxic cellulose glue when mixed with distilled water. I'll have to weigh out the solution next time I make some up, but it's not much: the 500g sample cans they sent me for experimental testing in other mixtures are a lifetime supply for a cigar roller

 

[SlamFire]

That's fairly complex, but for cigar rolling purposes, we're mainly interested in viscosity. From the manufacturer:

Viscosity at 20 °C (Brookfield LV), % solution​

• 230, 2% solution: 260-360 mPa.s
• 320, 2% solution: 1850-2650 mPa.s
• 481, 1% solution: 4250-6000 mPa.s
• 1000, 1% solution: 500-900 mPa.s

Bermocoll is basically high grade tasteless non-toxic cellulose glue when mixed with distilled water. I'll have to weigh out the solution next time I make some up, but it's not much: the 500g sample cans they sent me for experimental testing in other mixtures are a lifetime supply for a cigar roller

So essentially, the 320 has a more or less ideal viscosity for use as cigar glue. Good to know - before you mentioned it, I had no idea that there were specific grades of this stuff..

 

[tullius]

So essentially, the 320 has a more or less ideal viscosity for use as cigar glue. Good to know - before you mentioned it, I had no idea that there were specific grades of this stuff..

320 is just the one I started working with first. All of them will work great if you adjust the solution percentage. Notice from the viscosity chart, 1000 has almost the same flow rate as 320 if you run them at the same solution percentage, i.e. 1000 max viscosity @ 2% solution =1800 mPa.s, assuming things are linear. I just let the solution sit overnight, and temper it until it's right. I like a state that's somewhere in between a viscous liquid and jello, perhaps more towards the jello end

 

[SlamFire]

320 is just the one I started working with first. All of them will work great if you adjust the solution percentage. Notice from the viscosity chart, 1000 has almost the same flow rate as 320 if you run them at the same solution percentage, i.e. 1000 max viscosity @ 2% solution =1800 mPa.s, assuming things are linear. I just let the solution sit overnight, and temper it until it's right. I like a state that's somewhere in between a viscous liquid and jello, perhaps more towards the jello end

One thing is certain - you can be confident that you are in the company of those who take tobacco seriously when the discussion turns to the viscosity of cigar glue!

 

[willgodwin]

@willgodwin beautiful box of cigars, and 69 should be just fine in my experience. Where did you source those nice labels?

I just search vintage cigar bands on eBay every once and a while and look for bands that interest me. I have plenty now!

 

[SlamFire]

@willgodwin beautiful box of cigars, and 69 should be just fine in my experience. Where did you source those nice labels?

@Tulllius, if you are looking for nice cigar bands, there is a user named FeltonBeaver on Ebay who sells dozens of different vintage labels. Many are unused, and some are available in large quantities... I have purchased many items from her and have always been very satisfied. I am in no way related to the seller.

 

[Snowblithe]

Here’s a handful of cheroots.

 

[FrostD]

Finished up some Brazilian wrapped triple Dominican Ligeros!

 

[willgodwin]

Found a nice little blend I’ll try and make 25 of and stash away.
Corojo Oscuro wrapper and double binder, 2 Corojo viso (not sure which) 1 2012 Nic habano seco, and a 1/4 sliver Nic Habano Ligero. All WLT. Very good (to me ) 46rg. Still burning really well halfway through. Rolled a week and a half ago.