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Thank for your diligence but the google translate make me laught for minutes;)
I understand that you use the booking method only for the application of binder and wrapper. I don't understand what you mean with "set the draw on the shoulder/head".
 

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Do you mean that you let the body of the cigar more open and then bunch more tobacco in the head to close the draw to the right value?
 

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Do you mean that you let the body of the cigar more open and then bunch more tobacco in the head to close the draw to the right value?
I don't add more tobacco to the head, when free-rolling my cigars, though I do apply progressively more compression toward the head. The head naturally tapers, unless you intentionally avoid it. But a slightly tapered head with progressively more compressed tobacco toward the tip means that the draw can be easily adjusted at the time of smoking by the location of the cut to open the head.

I don't spend time with intentional "entubado" configuration. My method has no name (in English or in Spanish) that appears in cigar magazines. My filler is never used in high enough case for that to be meaningful. But I do make an effort to add leaf to an assembling bunch in such a way that it does not wrap or enclose other leaves. They are just rumpled, independent neighbors who mind their own business, and are generally aligned to the long axis of the bunch. I use a mold only when rolling cigars for gifts to industrial-minded recipients.

My sense is that parallel cigars (parejos) do not exist in nature, but were born out of efficiency in packing boxes of cigars in factories. While tapered cigars used to be the norm--in the day of local-shop hand-rolled cigars (~1910), now they are seen as exotic variants reserved for only the "most skilled of torcedors". My usually mold-free, casual approach to rolling well over 10,000 cigars leads me to the impression that if tobacco leaves were allowed to roll themselves into cigars on their own, they would be fat, firm, fairly large sticks with gently tapered heads. Just like the old cartoon cigars.

I suppose what I'm saying is that the generally tapered cigars that I usually roll require far less artistry than rolling a parejo. I am not a cigar artist. Several of our members truly are.

To add to the commonality of tapered cigars prior to the industrialization of cigar manufacture, the near universal use of tapered cigars in early 20th century artwork depicting cigars, as well as the very meaning of the expression, "cigar-shaped" (fusiform), suggest that tapered was the familiar shape--parallel the exotic shape. The "barber pole" of cigar shops, a racially stereotyped, carved wooden depiction of a Native American wearing 17th Century garb--intended to allow mostly-illiterate European Americans to identify a vendor of cigars (Who could read a sign?), is usually embellished with a handful of tapered cigars.

Painless Summary:
  • no entubado
  • no book
  • no artistry
  • no parejo
  • no mold
  • increasing compression in the tapered head
Whew!

Bob
 

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Thank you Bob for your description! In your post there are a lot of useful information. The most important thing that I understand is that one have to roll a LOT of cigars and to smoke them so one can learn from his mistake. For me I have found that the most difficult task is to have a cigar with the correct draw. Mine are often too closed:(
 

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My rather limited experience using my cigar mold means that I still have occasional difficulty with draw, but only if I press the bunch in a mold. For draw, I've found that filler in low case will always have a good draw, regardless of how tightly I bind and wrap it, so long as the cigar has a ring size of about 48 or larger. Very narrow cigars require more care.

Bob
 

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I love the way Bob explains things so as they become easy :)
You are right : keep it simple !

I do the same with the ones I roll : I try to put a little bit more compression at the head, it makes them a little bit tapered and the draw is often well better than the one I get from commercial cigars (who are very very often too tight...)

As much as I love beautifuly shaped cigars, I prefer a good tasting one ;)
 

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Thank you, It's a treat to peak at everyone's method of madness. I love Bobs no method method. I know it gets annoying repeating responses to the same questions all the time. I appreciate your patience.
 

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The thing that comes to mind now is when I started, (before I found this place) I was trying to create a firm uniform perfecto cigar in a mold and, they all would not draw or burn. Then, I found that if I set the pressure in the cigar so it draws and burns they were to soft.
The part I learned that I didn't recognize was that I needed to let then dry out. When I did, they were firm, drew and burned well. And mellowed in taste too.

The reasoning in setting the pressures differently in the head and, the body has to do with what I feel that what I see as a good draw is to tight for a good burn. the differences are small.

It sounds like what your doing is estrujado Bob. (gathering together from the center out) ... 04:00 in the video above.
 

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... The most important thing that I understand is that one have to roll a LOT of cigars and to smoke them so one can learn from his mistake. ...

You'll be able to learn alot from others. the most valued stuff you'll learn is hands on expereance. Even if you have someone there sitting with you.
 

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some re_wraps.. Corojowrppr

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