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somewhat uneven in color
When you home-grow your own wrappers, just keep in mind that those lovely, perfectly color-matched, size-matched, thickness-matched commercial wrappers are the result of repeated sorting and grading of many acres of the same leaf. They likely end up with large batches (many bales each) of maybe one or two dozen different categories of wrapper for the market. Your own grow suffers only from scale, even when you do everything perfectly. You get a perspective on all the variations that the commercial folks have to separate.

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My home-brew Corojo 99, which produces very large leaves of nearly equal size from bottom to top, has the curious attribute that the near-bottom leaf cures and ferments to just about the same color as the near top leaf. Up top, of course, gets stronger and thicker, but not much darker. The very tip leaf (corona) does give me a dark maduro, though not quite oscuro.

I would guess that your suspicion of the "oscuro" naming is correct. I'll bet there are more bales of that beautiful wrapper in some warehouse, that are labeled "oscuro".

Bob
I've never read any definition of oscuro, as it applies to cigar wrapper leaf, as anything but a color grade (as compared to maduro, which also often implies a process of very extended fermentation and so forth). All the photos of the wrapper color grades I've seen online show oscuro as being the absolute darkest, coal black-ish. Here is a definition from an article:

"This black-as-night wrapper shade is achieved by leaving the leaves on the plant as long as possible, by using only the leaves from the top of the plant, and by fermenting them for an especially long time. Most often Brazilian or Mexican in origin, oscuro wrappers are often very rough, a result of the extra fermentation. This category is sometimes referred to as "black," "negro" or "double maduro." "

Whereas these Corojo oscuro wrapper leaves run the grade from claro to claro maduro, generally what I would call caramel.

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Your leaves do sound very curious. As far as I can intuit, leaf darkness comes from a combination of chemicals and sun exposure doing something to the local cells that make them more prone to this change during curing and fermentation (this is why I reckon higher tobacco leaf tips can be darker: they're got more alkaloids and they're more out of the shade of the leaves above them than the rest of the leaf). It goes back to what you were saying in your explanation of signalling differences in varieties but in this case the signalling also seems to be affected by other aspects of nature and farming. (I'd find your passage but I'd barely come to grips with which of the 52 main sub-forums the original post was in before the gods/elves shuttled it off to some new dark nook, never to be seen again).
 

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Although Brazil may do a lot of extra work to get oscuro, all tobacco tends to be darker in the top leaf. Many of my varieties produce oscuro from top leaf, despite being harvested, cured and kilned in exactly the same manner as the rest of the leaf. With the exception of steam processed broadleaf, called "oscuro" by manufacturers (most no longer in business) of machine-made American cigars, oscuro leaf is a natural result. No extra anything required to get it. (Some of my nicest oscuro in the past has been top leaf of Vuelta Abajo, Comstock Spanish and Nostrano del Brenta.) Oscuro just happens.

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Although Brazil may do a lot of extra work to get oscuro, all tobacco tends to be darker in the top leaf. Many of my varieties produce oscuro from top leaf, despite being harvested, cured and kilned in exactly the same manner as the rest of the leaf. With the exception of steam processed broadleaf, called "oscuro" by manufacturers (most no longer in business) of machine-made American cigars, oscuro leaf is a natural result. No extra anything required to get it. (Some of my nicest oscuro in the past has been top leaf of Vuelta Abajo, Comstock Spanish and Nostrano del Brenta.) Oscuro just happens.

Bob
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Here are some examples of oscuro that just happened:

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2018

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2017

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2014

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2014 Vuelta Abajo

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Thank you. To have Nostrano del Brenta, you've got to grow it yourself.

Bob

EDIT: the black Nostrano is still quite mild.
Oh Lord. Tomatoes grow like crazy in the soil around here, so it should be doable; it's the kilning that terrifies me. I just don't have the situation for that. Maybe I could exchange you a couple leaves and a nice WLT notepad for some kiln time.
 

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I need to get the kiln busy again ... it's been months.
When the humidity stays really high, the leaf gets nice and dark.
I've got some great CT Broadleaf that would likely do well.

~Darin
 

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I need to get the kiln busy again ... it's been months.
When the humidity stays really high, the leaf gets nice and dark.
I've got some great CT Broadleaf that would likely do well.

~Darin
I take it that Nostrano is some kinda Habano. I could moisten some of the Ec Maduro and Chuck it into the sun and black it up...
 

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Speaking about dark tobacco this are ten cigars that I rolled today. They are about 45 - 50 RG and from 4" to 5 " lenght.
All have Nostrano del Brenta seco wrapper, Nostrano del Brenta viso binder and Nostrano del Brenta + Vuelta Abajo + Perique filler. I add a little Perique to give more strength and a fruitfil aroma.
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Speaking about dark tobacco this are ten cigars that I rolled today. They are about 45 - 50 RG and from 4" to 5 " lenght.
All have Nostrano del Brenta seco wrapper, Nostrano del Brenta viso binder and Nostrano del Brenta + Vuelta Abajo + Perique filler. I add a little Perique to give more strength and a fruitfil aroma.
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Very good! One would like to hear how they burn and taste someday.
 
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